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        • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
          9·
          3 months ago

          So, basically, if you tolerate the intolerant, the intolerant will eventually wipe out tolerance.

          A more accurate way to say it is, “if you tolerate the intolerant BEING intolerant, intolerance will eventually wipe out tolerance.”

          It does not say you should be intolerant of the intolerant while they’re minding their own business. I just think a bar owner is free to kick people out for representing Nazis purely because it’s their bar and they can do what they want.

          But X’s problem is a bit different from the Nazi Bar problem, in that you don’t really see the Neo Nazis on X sitting there minding their own business. You ONLY see them voicing their intolerance. Which of course, should not be tolerated.

          Tolerate tolerate tolerate. There.

          • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
            32·
            3 months ago

            It does not say you should be intolerant of the intolerant while they’re minding their own business

            it is a fallacy that the intolerant mind their own business. being intolerant is, itself, an active state, not a passive one, and one to be actively resisted. being intolerant involves choice, a choice to be intolerant. there is no “minding one’s own business” in being intolerant, as being intolerant necessarily involves minding the business of others and then making the choice to react to it.

            so your argument is, itself, spurious for it is fallacious in its foundation.

            gtfo with your nazi apologism

            The Paradox of Tolerance

            Tolerate tolerate tolerate. There.

            • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
              6·
              3 months ago

              gtfo with your nazi apologism

              That was so fast, you make me rub my temples in pain, my guy.

              So, people are people, they aren’t their ideals. People have more than one state of mind, they aren’t 2D cardboard cutouts (or drawings of red skull). Life would be easier if they were, I agree, but the world is more complex than that.

              People are born into environments they have no control over. People are handed ideals before they know what they are. People learn from their environment. People change their minds about things. You literally wouldn’t bother commenting right now if you didn’t agree with me.

              If a person is sitting peacefully, let them. If a person is taking any action to impede any other person’s ability to sit peacefully, then stop them. But don’t attack a person who is sitting peacefully, because they’ll probably want to attack you, or someone else, back.

              Now call me a nazi again, and we can agree to disagree. Jfc.

              • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
                9·
                3 months ago

                That was so fast, you make me rub my temples in pain, my guy.

                Good

                People are born into environments they have no control over

                Nobody is born a Nazi. That is a choice someone makes. And it’s a choice that has consequences.

                If a person is sitting peacefully

                Being a Nazi isn’t “peaceful.” There is no “peaceful” state of being a Nazi. Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain of the United Kingdom taught the world that 1936 when he tried to leave Nazi Germany sitting peacefully alone.

                gtfo with you Nazi apologism

                • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
                  6·
                  3 months ago

                  The difference between us is, I want Nazis to renounce their Nazi-ism. You don’t.

                  I don’t believe you’ll always be this way. I believe you can change. Godspeed.

              • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
                2·
                3 months ago

                Nazi’s whole ideology is that they see themselves better than everyone else and they are willing to kill the “lesser beings” in order to make the world “pure”.

                It is literally the genocide ideology.

                There are no good Nazi’s, because if a Nazi was good, they wouldn’t be a Nazi.

          • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
            17·
            3 months ago

            Nazism—the attempt to organize the commission of genocide—is an act of violence and must always be responded to as such.

            Nazism is never minding its own business.

          • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
            15·
            3 months ago

            A more accurate way to say it is, “if you tolerate the intolerant BEING intolerant, intolerance will eventually wipe out tolerance.”

            If the intolerant could mind their own business and tolerate people they didn’t agree with, they literally wouldn’t be part of the intolerant. That’s the point: it’s a core part of who they are and we have to cut it out like a cancer to have a tolerant society. (Sorry for making you read the T-word so many times.)

      • Mint@lemmy.one
        36·
        3 months ago

        You have a bar: Nazi comes into your bar, you let him stay, because why not its just a single nazi. Nazi invites friends, those friends invite their friends, and so on. Now you a have nazi bar.

    • intensely_human@lemm.ee
      3·
      3 months ago

      Speaking of Nazis, are you able to provide any evidence whatsoever of Nazi activity on X?

      Or is it more of a feeling you have?

  • Grant_M@lemmy.caEnglish
    36·
    3 months ago

    With so many options becoming available, increasingly less people will select the platform preferred by Nazis.

  • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    18·
    3 months ago

    At this point Musk has platformed all of the undesirables of the internet. He’s a big, blinking, neon sign that says “there are no adults in the room, do whatever you want.”

    That could be a service to the rest of us. It would be nice if, now that they’re all concentrated there, the internet could quietly agree to shadowban the entire site. Just disappear it from search results, conversation, “zeitgeist.” Let all of the toxic users keep each other busy while the rest of us enjoy a cleaner internet.

  • Storksforlegs@beehaw.orgEnglish
    13·
    3 months ago

    At least thats kind of reassuring in a way, that part of it is people dont want to associate with that stuff. (Though I realize that isnt the only reason)

  • Tarte@kbin.social
    12·
    3 months ago

    He drove me back into using RSS after more than a decade for staying up to date. Much better for the mental health. Thankfully, since Wordpress and also some other CMS have the RSS feature enabled by default, many websites have it even if they’re not advertising it.

  • ulkesh@beehaw.orgEnglish
    12·
    3 months ago

    Yes, this is what happens when you take a big shit in people’s cereal. They tend to leave. I, too, could be an analyst.

    • Zworf@beehaw.org
      6·
      3 months ago

      Yeah telling your advertising megacustomers to go F… themselves on TV and naming them explicitly. Wow. That’s some kind of nasty.

      It totally proved Disney right, too.

  • Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org
    10·
    3 months ago

    I only follow specific youtubers and artists. If stray away from my specific feed, Twitter is too scary lol. I am at a loss for good social media though. It seems like most social media sites have just gotten worse over the past decade.

    I guess there’s pros an cons to it all. Pro: less time wasted on social media Con: I’ve missed out on some information that is sometimes good to know.

    • Ilandar@aussie.zone
      6·
      3 months ago

      Yeah people keep posting these articles and celebrating as if it’s not still a very relevant social media platform. I am concerned it will take so long to “die” that there might actually be time for a revival.