An Iranian teenager was sexually assaulted and killed by three men working for Iran’s security forces, a leaked document understood to have been written by those forces says.
It has let us map what happened to 16-year-old Nika Shakarami who vanished from an anti-regime protest in 2022.
Her body was found nine days later. The government claimed she killed herself.
We put the report’s allegations to Iran’s government and its Revolutionary Guards. They did not respond.
Marked “Highly Confidential”, the report summarises a hearing on Nika’s case held by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) - the security force that defends the country’s Islamic establishment. It includes what it says are the names of her killers and the senior commanders who tried to hide the truth.
Morality police, coming to a republic near you if you don’t vote.
And a host to UN human rights council.
Saudi Arabia?
How about focusing on the brutal crackdown on the women’s rights movement instead of making it about you?
Explain how voting helps Iranians
Uh well for one, Trump will probably try to nuke Tehran if he wins the election or something similarly idiotic. If he wins, I 100% expect us to be at war with Iran in under two years.
No way, we will not nuke anyone
Probably not, but Trump would likely try, forcing whichever military official would need to turn the other key to save the world by disobeying an unlawful direct order from the president. Fun times!
Iranians don’t live in a republic
Yeah, luckily right now we don’t have any kind of ‘security forces’ out there raping and killing people. we are soooo much better.
WTF is wrong with you? Your entire response entirely dismisses this young persons tragic, horrific demise.
Have the decency to give the tragedy the respect it deserves or just ignore it. It’s like a twisted version of the useless grass is greener comparison. Or people who respond to someone’s feelings or concerns with a, just be glad you’re not ________ (some bullshit comparison). Totally minimizing that person’s experience, sweeping it away. Managing to not to do any justice to the thing being compared with either.
Fuck this Iranian regime. Fuck gross backwards ass patriarchal bs wherever it exists.
Their comment does not dismiss anything going on in Iran, as a matter of fact the dude is talking about the US. you’re somehow deflecting from their point and becoming outraged at something they never even said.
My point is why bring up the US. This story isn’t about the US. This has to do with Iran brutally crushing the Iranian women’s rights movement that rose up in 2020, “Woman, Life, Freedom”.
By turning the convo to the US and policing in the US, you end up minimizing their plight and this young woman’s story.
Ah, I got you.
My point is why bring up the US.
Hot take? Because Yanks have nothing to talk about but themselves on account of not having a firm mental image of anything existing outside of the US, consequently not acknowledging the material reality of anything outside of the US. Like “Iran” could as well be “Neighbour of Wakanda” to them, on some level they regard both places as fictional so they make Iran about them just as they make Wakanda about them. A movie in the cinema reporting about a fictional place, a news article reporting about a fictional place, where’s the difference when it comes to water-cooler talk. Utterly self-absorbed bunch over there.
Yet the person they responded too wants to make it a political issue in america acting like there is any party interested to establish islamism. They use a racist dog whistle and you are here attacking the person calling them out. “Oh if you dont vote these evil Muslims will establish the morality police here”
I think he’s more talking about US Republicans wanting to have genital inspectors to enforce their new laws.
It’s not the Muslims, it’s the evil Christians. Same problem, but different names.
I dont know, does your prison system allow for the rape of virgins who have received the death penalty because otherwise theyd to heaven? Have you ever picked up a rapper who critized the government, tortured him, released him and when he spoke up about his torture, the üolice arrested him again and sentenced him to death? Y’alls police ever shot a bystander to protest in the stomach and then killed anyone who tried to help her? Police ever busted a police violence victims funeral by killing attendants? Because the fucking iranian basij force did all of that within the last year.
Yeah american police is probably in the bottom 5 of western police forces, but its not “shooting 1,500 people in the streets because they didnt like gas price hike” bad.
What the fuck is the point of ranking police violence other than to beat your own chest and feel smug?
It’s dawning on me that many of the people using this tragedy to make comparisons are likely male.
What are you talking about
The police in the states are constantly raping and murdering people. on a literal daily basis.
I want to preface this by stating I am not a “thin blue line” person, nor am I someone who typically defends the police. I have attended protests about police brutality and I’m a proponent for substantial reform and reallocation of funding.
That being said, you’re not completely wrong about the murder thing, but you’re not completely right either. Police did shoot and kill almost 900 people in the US in 2023. That averages to more than 2 per day. To call every police involved shooting a murder is just ignorant. Police do murder, and IMHO they are usually not held accountable when they do, but I would argue that it’s far less than 50% of the killings.
Your rape claim is much less credible. This study identified 669 cases of police sexual violence from 2005 through 2012.. Any number greater than 0 is unacceptable, but this is a far cry from your “daily rape” claims, and your hyperbole does a disservice to victims of sexual assault.
All that being said, and as much scrutiny and criticism as US police deserve, you’re wildly ignorant to suggest the US is worse than Iran when it comes to abuse and misconduct.
Keep in mind, no one actually knows how many people US police kill. If no outside agency, of some sort, is involved, they do not report it. These numbers are based on what were reported and, according to Patrick Lynch - Previous head of the largest police union in the US, “most” police killings never make it to the public. So it is likely that the number is, at least, a little more than twice that. The 1994 crime bill stipulated an obligation for all police killings to be reported, in full, to the federal government. The DOJ has never enforced this rule, and has no plans to ever do so. They think it would be too destructive to police if they had to do this.
The quote from Patrick Lynch was from an industry rag and I can not find any longer. The link I had is now dead. The magazine is called American Police Beat, and you can find it in just about all PD offices, and correctional facilities. Seems they scoured that article. Whether it was done because it was old, and not archived, or because of the bad optics, is not known.
You bring up some good points. Thank you
It says a lot frankly that Iran is clearly worse than US policing. It’s a big problem in the US, and to be much worse than that…
I wish there was a clear way we could help them and Afghanistani women out.
Yeah. The US is fucking terrible in many respects for a ‘modern’ country, but the current Iranian government outright prides itself on being reactionary.
It says a lot that Iran has even more brutal and worse police than the US.
Some humans really are monsters.
Most of which are men.
It may seem that way and perhaps it is accurate, but if women support bad men, are they any better? Lots of enablers of bad behaviour. I too “feel” it is mostly men though.
Don’t bother listening to Shou, clear man-hater who believes animals are all naturally afraid of men (not women) because of how they smell.
I read a number of their comments and they do raise a number of valid points, but perhaps have inaccurately pinpointed the issue as men and testosterone versus some people’s brain development/chemistry. They are not entirely wrong, just a little off the mark which is making their words easy to dismiss for most. There is an oz of truth here. I am replying with some of the facts and studies on the matter as clearly they are passionate about the subject and wish to learn.
When looking at crime rates. It’s definitely men. And I doubt many of them were enabled by women solely.
Violent crimes yes I would agree. It is mostly men around the world who are committing them. If all men decided to not commit violent acts all at once, including refusing to join the army or participate in war, the world would be a better place instantly. Maybe that is where things will go as we start to alter our DNA as unfortunately evolution is way too slow and many of us are still behaving like wee are tribes in the jungle.
In terms of enabling, there is some phycology here. Not saying all violent crimes committed by men were solely enabled by women but there is a weird dynamic going on. Here is one example but there are many many studies on this matter and the overall trend is violence is attractive for some. Hence the enabling. https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1164&context=jj_etds
I would caution broad stroke statements though aimed at men as the majority of men are not violent. It is a small percentage who cause most of the violence. When we look at their brains, we have noticed patterns in their formation and chemistry. Some of these exist in women to a much lesser degree as I recall reading in papers in the past. Perhaps it is these people we need to focus on helping as they are causing a lot of suffering for themselves and others.
The article you sent was interesting, but it says nothing about enabling behaviour of women on violence perpetuated by men. It only goes into the willingness of women to interact with serial killers who target women specifically, as opposed to mass murderers, domestic abusers and sex offenders. They offer explanations as to why some women show fascination towards serial killers. It reminded me of the fawn response in non-human primates, and the many forms of conflict avoidence humans and other species employ. From frogs and hummingbirds bluffing one’s way out of conflict to chemically influencing male aggression specifically. From chimpanzees prostrating themselves just to avoid further aggression and increase survivability.
I do agree that women who use male aggression for their own purposes exist. I have a friend who got tangled up in an affair. A woman cheated on her boyfriend with him 3 times. Her bf was described as “an abusive douchebag.” Douchebag or not, I don’t condone her cheating, nor my friend’s involvement in it. What I noticed was that he developed a hateful stance towards her bf. And her bf hated him ofcourse. I warned him that if her bf is as much of an abusive douchebag was, she would probably ridirect his anger towards him instead of herself. Pitting two men against each other while managing to stay out of trouble herself. He wouldn’t listen to any woman (family members included) who warned him that this lady was bad news. Thankfully it didn’t escalate and I hope the guy, douche or not, finds a better partner and heals from this experience. So I do see where you are comming from with women playing a role in men’s violent crimes. This anectodal observation isn’t enough, as it isn’t just the woman controlling two men, but also two men competing for the same woman.
I don’t think women’s enabling behaviour plays as much a role in men’s violence as some other aspects might do. Just like the article you sent me, I recon the fascination with violence stems more from self-preservation, as well as female-choice reproduction tactics.
Testosterone does correlate with higher rates of aggression mammals. Mostly because of male-male competition, forcing copulation (orangutangs for example), stealing resources (primates, reighndeer, jaguars, and more) and infanticide of offspring that isn’t theirs without the mother being able to do anything about it (tigers, zebra’s, elephant seals and many primates). Male aggression is so common in birds and mammals, that it shapes a lot of behaviours of social species. Now this isn’t to day that males are evil by default, and females victims. It’s more often a case of females having more to lose than only their lives, less targets to steal from and forcing copulation is rarely needed (there are exceptions). If they could, or had to, they would be just as violent as their male counterparts, and I would not be suprised at all that women try to utilize men for something nefarious. I don’t think its enoug to explain the difference in homocide and other crime rates between genders.
Here are some resources that I read over the last few years. ** Testosterone and human aggression: an evaluation of the challenge hypothesis** This article sums up a lot about how testosterone correlates to the behaviour in men. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763405000102
Fear responses when exposed to androgens. ** The human body odor compound androstadienone leads to anger-dependent effects in an emotional Stroop but not dot-probe task using human faces. ** Three first citations contain more info about anxiety responses in women when exposed to human sweat. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0175055
Olfactory exposure to males, including men, causes stress and related analgesia in rodents. https://www.nature.com/articles/nmeth.2935
Women smelling men’s masked body odors show enhanced harm aversion in moral dilemmas. Harm avoidance increases when exposed to (masked) male body odor. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031938418309533
Stockholm Syndrome, Appeasement and the Fawn Response.
Appeasement: replacing Stockholm syndrome as a definition of a survival strategy. This paper makes a distinction between a direct physical threat and a hostage situation. It mentions also that the appeasement behavior aims to make the perpetrator feel safe with the victim (talking about an uno reverse card). This is different from the fawn response where the goal is to please a perpetrator in order to avoid conflict. Making it perhaps bit different from what we see in non-primates. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9858395/
History of the term ‘appeasement’: a response to Bailey et al. (2023) This is a response to the article above about the terminology. It also describes different forms of appeasement and relations between individuals and groups in other species. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20008066.2023.2183005
Fight, Flight, Freeze, or Fawn: How We Respond to Threats. An easy to read summary on different forms of responses to a threat in humans. https://www.simplypsychology.org/fight-flight-freeze-fawn.html
Submission signals in animal groups. A summary on different displays of submission across different species. One way to avoid conflict it my adopting a female-mating position. This is seen in quite a few species and isn’t only displayed by females. Even male crayfish found this tactic useful to avoid further aggression and a “reduced chance of death…” https://brill.com/view/journals/beh/159/1/article-p1_2.xml
Perspectives in primate biology. A common form of submissive behaviour in primates is sharing food. In humans, sharing is caring. For many non-human primates, it is a way to avoid aggression. Sharing food particularly when there is a difference in body size between the food possessor and the impending food thief. Female primates are weaker than the males and therefore have less options to demand food from. I wonder if this plays a role in the stereotype of women who don’t order fries and then try to take some from their boyfriend. Dominance or bonding? Both? Does this food competition play a role in why estrogens play a role in fat storage and slower catabolism? Whereas in rats, estrogens actually slow down fat storage. It’s why phytoestrogen rich diets need to be avoided in obesity and atherosclerosis studies using rats (be it male or female) as a model. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/William-Mcgrew-2/publication/246210123_Food-sharing_in_primates_a_critical_review/links/5401f4240cf2c48563af850e/Food-sharing-in-primates-a-critical-review.pdf
Tactics to reduce male aggression in humans A chemical signal in human female tears lowers aggression in males. Why women cry emotional tears much more easily. What’s weird though is that it lowers male aggression to begin with. Did women adopt crying by mimicking an infant’s cry? This also seems weird since male non-human primates are notorious for killing young in order to get the mother to ovulate sooner again and force copulation. Did men have to adopt a “don’t kill the baby” behaviour somewhere along the way, that women then rode the success of? I am still looking for answers. https://journals.plos.org/Plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.3002442
Smiling also lowers aggression (not just male aggression). It’s why women smile more, and especially when anxious. Men less so. It may play a factor in why men are perceived as more funny too. Since the idea that someone is funny, plays a role in percieved funniness. ** Emotional expressions in human and non-human great apes** Parts 1.3 and 1.4. Talks about the correlation between fear and smiling in humans. “The evolutionary origin of the human smile (not laughter) is considered to come from the bared teeth display seen across primates that signals submission or appeasement (van Hooff, 1976)” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763419304749
** The gender divide in humor: How people rate the competence, influence, and funniness of men and women by the jokes they tell and how they tell them. ** https://repository.wellesley.edu/_flysystem/fedora/2023-11/WCTC_2015_RozekChristina_Thegenderdivideinhum.pdf
Male phenotype mimicry to avoid male aggression or death Some interesting stuff I found over time were different coping tactics for dealing with male aggression. Some involved adopting male behaviours and/or appearance.
Experimental evidence that female rhesus macaques (Macaca mulatta) perceive variation in male facial masculinity Females looking more masculine to avoid coercive males and signal competitive strength. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsos.181415
** Intersexual social dominance mimicry drives female hummingbird polymorphism.** 20% of females adopting a male phenotype. They do this to avoid male aggression, despite giving up their camouflage against predators for it. Interestingly, this 20-25% percentage appears from time to time whenever females look or act like males. It was postulated that if too many females look/act like males, the meaning of the phenotype difference is lost. This isn’t always the case however. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2022.0332
It isn’t always used to avoid aggression. There is this species of frog where 48% of females scream like a male to get him to let go. If they don’t get rid of the male embrace, they risk getting crushed to death by a pile up of males. They employ tactics other than mimicry as well. Including escaping the male embrace physically or pretending to be dead. I couldn’t find the original article, only the news item I read months ago. Just haul it through google translate, it’s is a fun read. https://www.newscientist.nl/nieuws/vrouwtjeskikkers-veinzen-overlijden-vrijpartij-ontwijken/
This thread is filled with too many chest beating men who typically make it about themselves, completely minimizing this young woman’s life and the crushing of the women’s rights movement in Iran.
Chest beating comparisons to American politics, or ranking police violence in the world, dehumanizing islamaphobic remarks, some by opportunistic supporters of Israel’s genocide of the Palestinian people.
Jesus I hate some people more and more just reading the news. It’s so horrible. I wish I didn’t know the full extend of barbarism humans are capable of.
Avoid history books
you have to look. it’s important. know what we are capable of and be prepared to fight it. most of you are good people. don’t be victims.
All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing
amen
The only thing that comes of ignorance is deeper ignorance.
Guys I really would like you to spare me I am 14 and this is deep takes, whenever I get notif I need to revisit this news piece again when I just want to erase it
sorry kid. you can’t hide form the world forever. we need those who are most disgusted to be the ones that break the cycle.
Very Islamic, guys. /s
Islamic law allowed the distribution of female captives as spoils of war and for them to be bought and sold, becoming sexually lawful after a short waiting period to confirm they were not pregnant.
You are also allowed to rape your wives and slaves.
The old testament says a lot of the same shit. Acting like this shit is exclusively Islam’s domain is big bigot energy.
The whole situation is unbelievably fucked up. Fundamentalist Islam is in the mix but Islam in and of itself is not the cause.
When did I say this shit is exclusively Islam?
It’s not being bigoted to point out the dangers of the current form of Islam. You only have to have eyes to see the extent of jihad, mercy killings, beheadings for drawing Mohamed, etc. or to see the stats from polls where large numbers say it is justified, or sometimes justified.
It absolutely doesn’t apply to all Muslims but it’s not a tiny minority, and other religions do not have anywhere near the same violence today. Burying your head in the sand and calling people bigots and racists is pathetic and doesn’t help.
The right wing hears: Damn it! They’ve got it better than us… shit’s unacceptabro
But not molest randoms.
Sure, religion bad, but that’s not the point I was making.
I thought the point you were making was they were behaving exactly like islamists?
The point I was making is that they aren’t behaving in accordance with their own stated ideology.
source: my ass 😁
ISIL argued that the Yazidi were idol worshipers and justified the sexual slavery of the captured non-muslim victims as a permissible manner of enjoying the spoils of war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_war_in_Islam Depends on who you are talking from.
did you even read the article you posted? It says that the women who are taken as prisoners of war and not freed or ransomed are to be protected under the same protections as slaves, which includes not getting raped.
You really think quoting what ISIS(the most hated group in the world even by muslims and islamic scholars) did proves the point? You’re either mentally challenged or trolling. Either way go back to reddit.
Seriously. Some people seem to be incapable of understanding nuance. Literally billions of people follow various religions that at some point have condoned some pretty fucked up behavior. These religions have contemporary offshoots that still believe this fucked up behavior is acceptable, typically because it directly benefits them, but the vast majority do not. Then you get some yahoos who see the worst of the worst and paint entire religions with a broad brush based on them.
People aren’t shitty because of religion. Shitty people use religion as an excuse to be shitty and would fabricate something else if religion and other forms of magical thinking were quashed.
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Blowback is a bitch ain’t it? It was the US led invasion of Iraq that birthed ISIS. An invasion based on lies about terrorists being in Iraq drummed up by neocons and neolibs, and that would actually help to create a more virulent terrorist plague in the end. And it was the US that armed and trained Bin Laden for its proxy war with Russia in Afghanistan.
When you say “true story”, how much history and context do you really know? Try not getting your news and ‘facts’ watching fox and oan news and alex jones types.
I don’t watch any TV news. I’m a left wing Bernie supporter. You can look it up yourself and verify what I’ve said.
wrong website man! if youre gonna say shit and not prove it go to reddit 😁
I don’t have to prove what is true. You can learn it for yourself. I’m not your dad or your teacher. I post, you can take my notes.
anon987, this is a troll. Someone who makes excuses for and supports the genocide against Palestinians by Israel. Basically using this tragedy to dehumanize people.
I am shocked. Shocked! Well maybe not that shocked.
Unfortunately unsurprising. Many such stories emerged, though many unconfirmed, at the time. The Iranian security forces were terrified that they might have to answer for their crimes to an angry populace, and so became more wretched and cruel than usual.
Let me guess, the innocent people of Iran need to solve their own problems.
Homie don’t play that shit in the middle east… Maybe some of these protesters (both sides) will nut up and head to the old Holy Land they are so passionate about and see what it’s like outside terrible Merica
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?? Iran does not have nukes, although they are working towards it
It’s possible they reached that point already, we just don’t know for sure.
Unlike in the US, where police are strictly prohibited from doing this. I tell other lies, as well.
I’m not going to say police in the US are flawless but this is horrific stuff, I’ve never heard of US police officers molesting and then beating to death an underage girl who was already bound and gagged. And if evidence of such an event were to come out there would absolutely be consequences. Meanwhile in Iran this shit is institutionalized. The documents show the guards straight up admit to everything happening to their superiors, knowing they won’t face consequences.
Is it awful that my immediate reactive thought was “just give it ten years”?
since in america, police job #1 is covering their own ass (in other words, simply the next step in the iranian system, where the behaviour is tacitly accepted but you’re not supposed to mention it) I wouldn’t be so sure about this. They’re just gangs at this point. American police are apparently so desensitized to death that they can repeatedly hear the complaints of those they suffocate (I mean arrest) and take no action; compassion is not a cognitive process available to these people. You are already there, at the level where police will kill to hide their own crimes, sliding backward into barbarism. There is a distinction of degree, but not of kind. Your police already behave horrifically, and if they are not already doing this, it is only a matter of time. Action must be taken; fucked if I know what, but fortunately, I don’t live there.
You’re not wrong in many cases. But the transgressions of US police have nothing to do with this story.
Yeah, classic whataboutism. Apparently this story makes OP defensive?
Idk, seems like a classic case of ACAB.
In this particular case, we’re told to care precisely because it is Iranian police, rather than an officer from Chicago or Dallas or Miami.
And our response is expected to be a call for more military action against Iran. Which will inevitably mean more troops in and around the Iranian border. And more policing of residents in those border regions. And… consequently… more men with guns using their outsized authority to commit sexual assault against locals. Which will result in local backlash against the western forces. Which will then be attributed to the IRG. Which will then be used as further causi belli for escalated conflicts.
But the idea of police reform at home will never cross our minds. This isn’t an object lesson in poor policing, its a problem we’re supposed to believe is unique to Iranians who are inherently evil.
I can see your point. And I think you put it well (which is why I upvoted it as an aside). Thanks for the perspective.
fapfapfap. “at least we don’t do that” is an article of faith you cannot afford, not to mention that ship sailed long ago (there are absolutely documented cases of this sort of behaviour in US police, that are (shockingly!) not popular stories in america)
but sure, go ahead and pretend one monkey is magically different from another monkey
or do you lose your mind at the suggestion that you’re an animal like everyone else?
I don’t know what the fuck you are rambling on about here. But all the best, pal.
How could American’s experience with American policing colour their response to an article about foreign policing? Are their impressions accurate?
Why would anyone pretend that a primate in a certain situation would react in a way that is uncharacteristic of its species to that situation?
The differences in american vs iranian policing are of degree, perhaps, but not kind, and frankly, likely not of degree either. Your bros have done some pretty bad shit and I’m sure you could find instances of police rape and murder without even going back a whole week, if you tried.
I’m not sure what part of this article discusses the US?
Don’t worry, we can still use this to criticize the US (through us indirectly causing this regime to take power by helping to overthrow the leader of the previous, more democratic revolution)
