Wow, who could have anticipated that kernel-level anti-cheat was a bad idea? It’s like people haven’t been warning that giving an increasing number of programs that level of access might be a Bad Idea.
Kernel-level anti cheat is spyware, say it with me everybody. Complain on steam about it. Post this nonstop. This standard is NOT OK and needs to change and that’s the only way it might.
Why complain on Steam? If I remember correctly, League of Legends is downloaded through its own installer and it’s completely separate to Steam
It used to be on Steam
Send Riot Lyte a mad email then.
I would never let some random anticheat code have kernel access. Games are demanding something crazy, and users are stupidly letting them get it.
The first time I installed Vanguard, for the Valorant beta, it decided to disable my mouse and keyboard on each boot.
Well, you can’t cheat if you can’t do anything
This is why I absolutely refuse to install Valorant (and now LoL) - I could somewhat understand if an anticheat refused to boot up the game in question if something triggered it, but it going massively outside of its scope and wantonly disabling or killing other processes is just nuts to me.
To be fair, if they were typical RBG mouse and keyboard, and you used the brands software to change their settings, it blocked that software. Those programs were absolute dog shit in terms of security. I have no idea if it forced them to make better software, or Riot just started to allow them. Regardless it’s all pointless because Vanguard has been defeated. Imagine making ring 0 anticheat that loads on boot, and it still isn’t good enough, fucking LoL pun intended.
Both had optional software, and I only used the keyboard. The software didn’t have to be running for either to work, it was only to configure it and then it wrote the configuration to onboard memory. It was the generic mouse and keyboard input drivers provided by Windows that was blocked and it affected a pretty significant number of users.
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What stops consumers with bricked PCs from claiming the max amount in small claims? That would drain funds quick
Someone is having me “fix their pc” to work with it and they understand the problem but say “i only play a little” and “it’s really important to me”
They asked about getting a separate computer just for the game
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This is either the final nail on the coffin for playing league on linux or it will motivate linux devs to figure out a way around it. I don’t play league but I did enjoy playing TFT with friends always on Linux.
TFT can at least be played via android (or emulator)
Yeah I guess waydroid is probably the way to go for TFT on Linux
I tried. But Google Play store won’t install it on my waydroid because the device is not verified and I don’t think it is possible. Correct me if I’m wrong! :)
That’s the case with a lot of games when trying to use Waydroid.
I installed Fortnite to check out the LEGO mode without realizing EAC was a rootkit and the next Windows update bricked my PC.
I’ve never had any issues with EAC, it’s probably one of the least invasive kernel-level anticheats out there (with vanguard being the most invasive)
Have you actually audited its behavior? Both are proprietary and any kernel module is inherently dangerous.
Even ones like easy anticheat have given me problems where if a game didn’t exit properly my whole system got bogged down and required a restart.
One of my favourite games to have kernel level anticheat is Helldivers 2, and I think it’s definitely caused a few issues for me.
Helldivers 2 works on Linux even with the anti cheat unlike Valorant so there must be some differences there.
Riot’s Vanguard is the only one that needs to start with boot, and always run in the background. Others can initialize and close when the game is done, IIRC. Which is why they can work with proton/wine.
Vanguard is always running? More reason for me to never go back to League I guess.
DotA is freedom, you can do crazy fun builds
HOTS is the better game but DOTA has mod tools
Supposedly it falls back to usermode anticheat on linux. That’s what I heard but there wasn’t a source, so could be BS.
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It’s really sad that they chose to implement it. I would’ve loved to play Helldivers 2 but I just refuse to allow them that level of access to my device, especially for a game that isn’t even competitive.
That’s where I’m at with the game.
Like yeah it looks fun, I’m not willingly installing malware. Especially after the apex legends debacle.
Thankfully on linux we have tools to heavily limit it’s access such as firejail. It doesn’t just get unrestricted root access
Their explanation for it makes sense though. They were running into the problem that a player could cheat and progress their games faster, etc. Since HD2 is essentially a MASSIVE, single DnD campaign that every player is a part of, those cheaters would break the campaign progress and ruin it for every single other player.
They also include shortcuts to install and uninstall only the anticheat. So you can remove it immediately once you finish playing.
I’m curious, where are those shortcuts?
If you go to it’s steam install folder: Hell Divers 2 -> tools -> GGSetup.exe and gguninst.exe
Good to know, thanks!
That’s that I don’t get
You can run the uninstaller without admin privileges so why doesn’t the game only have nguard running while the game is
Makes no sense to me
Others simply dubbed it “malware” and declared they would be quitting League until the program stopped breaking PCs.
Silly that malware is okay once it stops interfering with your day to day
what about making actual authoritative servers?
that would break most cheats except *-botsalso there’s usually no need to replicate the entire game state on all clients, some details like movements of players out of view can be omitted (ofc this doesn’t apply to lol but whatever)
But that`s haaaaaaard tho… :(
I loved the way CS:GO1 had an anticheat program called Overwatch. If you are experienced enough and a trusted user, you can review games that players have reported and ban the cheaters if you deem them cheating. I don’t know if csgo2 has this but I haven’t seen it so far.
