is there a way to prove content manipulation on a website ? Isn’t reddit already super pro democrat… why is this fediverse and others being drowned in this bullshit ? Fuck them both biden and trump and us politicians, they are just puppets. The real masters are the corporations . I thought this website you would see more posts like reviving occupy wall street.
But the corporations they got the money…
Full senile moment = “raspy voice”
Biden apologists are gonna be the reason Trump gets elected.
As an european, what scares me , it is that Biden is the ACTUAL president. If he suffers from dementia, who is really in charge now. Who takes the decisions? Usa are involved in at least two major wars and dictate the policy to the europeans. Who is responsible of that? If biden cannot be a candidate , why it is an actual president?
what a straw man argument
RBG, Feinstein, now Biden. Selfish geriatric boomers should learn when to retire.
I have no faith in the future and only pray death is swift and merciful. I will vote Biden in hopes of delaying the inevitable another four years.
I was hoping that the Right’s march into fascism was going to be the call to action that Americans needed to abandon them and push the country into being a proper developed nation…
Instead, people go along with it to own the libs, and the privileged who know better have the resources to stamp their foot and wait for a savior they should know will never come.
We should all be screaming at the top of our lungs for Biden to drop out now. Fast. Throw in Newsom or Whitmer. I’ll vote for either, doesn’t matter.
This is a no brainer, and no loss. Either they do it which would be great, or we’re stuck with biden anyway, who now looks to be much worse off against trump.
Everyone should be telling biden to drop out. Everyone everyone everyone. And loudly.
I’ve dropped emails to Schumer, Jeffries, and my local senator and congressmen to tell them that Biden should drop the fuck out. Those that are going to vote blue are going to vote blue regardless. No one who was voting against Trump is suddenly going to switch it up.
If Harris. Comes the pick, that’s the only wild card I see. She will alienate a lot of folks because she isn’t as progressive as media is making her out to be. And let’s face it…racism and sexism.
most important thing is that he can still use his arm to sign legislation. that’s all you need him for. the actual deal is the cabinet. that’s what you’re voting for.
too bad most people don’t think about that, and fuck the dnc for putting the country in this situation.
This is a terrible sentiment. You need a team and you need someone to lead that team. Having the leader just be a puppet is terrible.
You’ll get a dysfunctional cabinet this way, you will get grifting, taking advantage of the puppet showing his face to bad ideas and you will get foreign influence prying on the weak puppet president.
And even if the president is not a puppet and “only weak”. We have a government falling apart and in deadlock because of our chancellor being a weak leader in Germany. The only thing holding them together at this point is the fear of them losing power sooner in an early election. All it does is give even further rise to the fascists.
You need a competent leader at the head of the cabinet. And that starts with her or him having their mental capacity.
Biden has been president for almost 4 years and we haven’t seen any of those things. That’s how I know all this FUD is overblown. The things you are describing were rampant under Trump, not Biden.
oh you’re right. voting for biden may give rise to fascists… so we should let the actual fascists win instead. how have i never thought of this before‽
You let the Democrats gaslighting work on you. Since half a year they make us think, that the only two options are Trump and Biden, when in fact they could have allowed for proper primaries. They could have worked to prop up other candidates as viable alternatives. But they wanted the puppet they can control.
It is not too late to acknowledge Biden to be unfit and put up a different candidate. I have been advocating for this here since months. But instead of acknowledging that there is more real options, the DNC propaganda worked and works hard to limit our thinking to “its either one of them, no looking past the fishbowl”.
Biden was never voted because he was Biden. He was voted because he wasn’t Trump. Any halfway decent candidate that does not shares Bidens dogmatic support for genocide in Gaza and abusing immigrants can fill this role a hundred times better. Any such candidate could win the election in a landslide.
Pull the emergency brake on the Biden train. The Biden train is going into the abyss.
just tell us who you think people should vote for, instead of weaseling around it.
People should force the DNC to make primaries and have the people decide on a candidate.
they won’t, and that’s not an answer to my question
Then you vote third party and take the fight to the streets because you do not accept two genocidal mass murderers as legitimate options
…primaries where you get vote among these candidates. There were options.
In my state there were literally not other options. We had a single candidate primary.
Almost as if the DNC is not democratic and making sure to get their puppet in, instead of a leader.
idk how that’s relevant now
Just like complaining who’s running the parties isn’t relevant now. That’s the point.
i gotta admit that my brain is too small to comprehend your point
Sounds like a you problem then.
yeah definitely a me problem
He needs to withdraw. He has to. The man looks like he’s dying. It’s time to stop playing pretend. This is fucking stupid. He’s literally not physically capable of being president. He doesn’t just have a raspy voice, he rambles incoherently, he can barely seem to register what’s going on at any moment. He nods off in public. He’s ancient. He should be no where near a political office.
If he runs he’s handing Trump the presidency. And I don’t even fully believe he cares. If he cared he would never have run in the first place. He also chose to hammer home on his unending support for Israeli colonialism and crimes against humanity. Just to further aleniate the progressives and moderates who want him to stand up for human rights.
I have no faith in him to drive a car let alone handle the political office of the presidency. He could be a literal corpse and he’d still get my vote over Trump. But you’re asking people to vote for someone who is openly incapable of doing the job he’s campaigning for. He HAS to step down. He CANNOT defeat fascism. He is not capable of it and he is so chronically neoliberal that he cannot even create a strong opposition to fascism.
We’re all freaking the fuck out because this is the worst scenario. The one we ALL SAID WAS COMING. We were all told not to talk about how old he is Trump is old too and all that. And Trump absolutely is old but he’s a fascist for one and fascists vote differently than anyone else does. But much worse he always rambles incoherently so standing next to Joe he looked as he normally does and Biden was the one who had visibly aged.
Enough is enough is enough he has to go. Where is the real political effort to have him withdraw. The clock is ticking until November and he HAS TO GO.
People acting as if Trump or Biden would run the show. Biden has a cabinet of people and appointees who are putting in place their policies put together by experts. His policies have mostly benefitted the lower and middle class with a focus on bringing manufacturing back to America and improving infrastructure.
Then theres Trump and Project 2025.
I think I’ll be voting Blue, regardless of who is running.
People acting as if Trump or Biden would run the show.
So in other words, you think the president should be a puppet? Because that is the implication of responding to “dude is unfit for the office” with “well he is not running it anyways, he’s just the face.”
I don’t know of a single country run by a puppet that was run well. What you get instead is all the worst people to take advantage to put their personal benefit in, since it’s not their face associated with it.
Also internationally it is very very very bad to be run by a puppet. Nobody will take the puppet serious and everyone will again seek to put their own interests in. We already see that with Israel playing Biden like a fiddle.
So in other words, you think the president should be a puppet?
No, I think their point is that most of the “work” goes to the cabinet - you don’t have the president out there doing the legwork for everything.
And they are all neoliberals and Reaganites
Honestly don’t care what its called or whose making the policies. If an administration is taking concrete steps to address wealth inequality I am going to vote for them.
he can barely seem to register what’s going on at any moment.
Saying this out loud hurts my heart. My father has dementia. He was diagnosed 3 years ago. I hope his progress stops or stays at slow pace.
During the debate, I saw a lot of similarities between my father and president Biden when it comes to their reactions to questions asked.
So the man has a stutter, and he’s old, what ever. All I can do is cast my single vote. Last time, I voted against Trump, and honestly, even after the debate, I’ll cast my vote this time for Biden.
I’d much rather cast my vote for Hakeem Jeffries, or Shift, or Bernie, or a dozen other people who aren’t an option.
Thing is, I’m going to cast my vote in Cook county IL, so it literally won’t matter. IL is going blue no matter what, and I feel like my participation is merely token.
I wish I could do more, I want to scream at clouds about what is happening to the country, and it doesn’t matter.
Saw a stat that says Trump is 65% to win, and want to physically grab people and shake them, but what would it matter?
Had I walked into that debate blind, not knowing who those people are, what the “facts” and the facts are, I’d have thought, that Biden guy seems weak and befuddled, and boy that Trump is sure a confident leader. It made me feel sick.
As I told my mother today, I don’t have kids, I live in the midwest, have a good job with a big stable company, truth is, even a second Trump term won’t effect me that much. I can just sit back, enjoy my 30 so years left, and watch the world burn, but damn it, I have empathy for others, and there are many, many people whose lives and livelihood are going to be seriously impacted, and that bothers me.
I’ll also be casting my vote in Cook county. I have hispanic kids. My wife is Salvadoran. She is a US citizen born and raised in the US. I’m a white atheist and a dual citizen of the EU who has had the audacity to previously speak poorly about my corporate overlords. I grew up in the south. I don’t trust these project 2025 fucks to stop at illegal immigrants. Biden sucks, but I’ll vote for him anyway because the system literally gives me no other option. Until the system changes or fails, this is what we must do.
If you value the supreme court, lower court appointments, social security, healthcare, childcare, the environment, action on climate change, a competent CDC for the pandemics we’re going to experience more frequently, etc., vote Biden. Yes he’s old. Yes he sucks. Unfortunately he’s the lesser of two evils. And by a wide margin.
If your district is definitely going blue then you could safely vote 3rd party… Think of it as a vote to change the fptp system. There is no way the system will ever change if we don’t start forcing it to.
2016 called, they want their apathy for keeping fascists out of the government back.
Sure wish the DNC and Biden would heed the call
I don’t like Joe Biden, I’ll never forget the Neoliberal bullshit he did with the Republicans in the 90s we are still suffering from further eviscerating the safetynet to the draconian war on people suffering addiction. He’s one of the OG former opposition party members the Reagan Revolution convinced to take the bigger bribe checks from Wall Street than Unions could ever match, today’s neoliberal(D) party.
That said, I voted for him in the last election, and I will again out of harm reduction. He has improved on policy, but l even if he didn’t, the American people do not get a vote on whether or not to elect a senile President this cycle.
You can have any President you like, as long as he’s senile. If you vote, we’ll get a senile President. If you don’t, we’ll get a senile President.
The question is whether you want senile and gleefully cruel®, or just senile(D). I’ll take just senile.
Except you do get to vote for no senility. That is what the primaries were for. Trump was actually struggling quite a bit against a young woman.
As was Biden for a hot second against a younger candidate. That was short lived. Biden was also getting a bit of a slap by a few people who were not on board for having Biden run the party again.
This is why you don’t sleep through the primaries and complain you only get the only one vote on parties.
You can have any President you like, as long as he’s senile. If you vote, we’ll get a senile President. If you don’t, we’ll get a senile President.
there are other candidates you can vote for
You’re still going to get a senile president.
Harm reduction dictates voting for the least harmful outcome, period.
the least harmful outcome is a third party winning
In which reality is that possible? Don’t be a dumbass.
The same reality that thinking voting for Biden in a rural deep conservative state is going to swing the vote. You can convince every person in the cities to vote democratic and still lose to the country side that state. Voting doesn’t work the same for every state, don’t shame people for voting their conscious. It’s always okay to shame voting for Trump, but don’t shame people for voting third party.
Afaik, that’s simply not true. Take a look at the margins that Biden won by in 2020 in a few key states.
You’ll notice that the third party votes could’ve easily swung the state outcome either way.
Finally, you’ll notice how far behind third party votes are. The conclusion I’m drawing is that the possibility of third party votes influencing the outcome between the two candidates is greater than the possibility of a third party candidate winning.
I think we both agree that there are locations and states where it does truly matter. I think where I’d disagree is that it’s not applicable for every state. Sometimes it’s already decided on where you live. It’s better not to shame third party voters in situations like that. The only way to get a third party one day is by starting in locations like that. Though coming from a situation like that, I also understand it’s a less stressful election than one that you have a chance of winning. Just not worth shaming others who don’t have the option of winning and vote third party for president for their conscious. Still voting blue for everything else though.
Or vote third-party, and you’ll probably get a senile President, but maybe not.
And more importantly, you’re helping to break the Duopoly and normalize voting third-party.
If a minor party manages to get 5% of the vote, they qualify for federal funding in the next election, and that might lead to real change.
Cornel West is polling at about 3% (and after Biden’s performance, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cornel picks up a couple more percent). We could be close.
Edit: Or just keep on thinking you have to settle for the lesser of two evils. (How’s that working out for you?)
If you’re in a state that will certainly be blue or red and has 0% chance of swinging unless a huge proportion of the population changes their party affiliation (California, New York, Mississippi, Alabama, to name a few) then vote 3rd party, sure.
If your state was within 10% of flipping colors in any of the past 3 presidential elections, DO NOT vote 3rd party. Your vote matters too much to risk it.
^THIS^
Yeah, that’s the conventional wisdom. When Ross Perot ran, most of his support came from states that weren’t swing states.
(Despite often being called a “spoiler”, he probably had little impact on the result of the election because of that.)
But! Later polls showed that 35% of voters would have voted for Perot if they thought he could win. And if all those people had voted for Perot, he would have won!
Just something to think about.
If we could somehow ensure that our actual desires were reflected by our votes without simultaneously risking our vote being wasted by splitting support between similar candidates, we could have actual representative democracy. But we all have a duty to prevent the worst to the best of our ability, even at the sacrifice of our support of what we think would be best, but unlikely.
Vote for ranked choice voting however you can. This paradox is intentional design, not an unforeseen consequence. We need to rework the voting system before things have any chance to get better without violent revolution.
It’s actually been mathematically proven that ranked-choice voting does not eliminate the so-called spoiler effect. It’s called Arrow’s Impossibity Theorem.
As people who live in a country with FPTP voting, we’re all intimately familiar with the drawbacks of FPTP voting. But all voting systems have their drawbacks.
(I’ve actually been a volunteer election worker in a country with ranked ballots and proportional representation, and the experience actually soured me on ranked ballots and proportional representation.)
Countries like Canada and the UK manage to have four or five parties with FPTP voting.
Stop waiting for the perfect voting system, because there is no perfect system.
Countries like Canada and the UK manage to have four or five parties with FPTP voting.
And they both are dominated by 2 parties. Hardly a defense of FPTP.
Stop waiting for the perfect voting system, because there is no perfect system.
There may be no perfect system, but there are certainly systems that utterly fail to capture the will of the people, and FPTP (especially the US’s implementation of it) is one such system. People aren’t going to magically all change their centuries long behavior of voting for 1 of two parties. This is a systematic problem, and the solution is election reform.
And they both are dominated by 2 parties. Hardly a defense of FPTP.
Justin Trudeau’s current government is a minority government being propped up by a minor party (the NDP). That minor party were able to get the government to pass a Pharmacare bill in exchange for their support.
With just 24 seats in parliament, the NDP were able to deliver on an election promise to their voters. I’d say that’s pretty good.
I disagree. I too have been involved in elections in my country (Australia) and preferential voting system is pretty popular. As candidates get eliminated your vote keeps moving to your next choice. What could possibly be fairer?
What could possibly be fairer?
Approval or STAR voting, since they are more heavily utilized by all citizens instead of just white people, they are purely additive unlike ranked, which allows for easy auditing and making sharing the results possible in real time.
They’re also far easier to explain, which makes voting more inclusive, and the results more straightforward to follow.
RCV is definitely better than what we have now, but if we’re gonna have election reform we should go for the best possible system, not a half measure like RCV.
And yet minor parties fair pretty poorly in Australian elections, and always have. Minor parties currently have 6 seats in Australia’s House of Representatives (up from 3 in the previous parliament).
In Canada, third-parties (Greens, Bloc Quebecois, and NDP) have 56 seats between them.
In the UK, there are 11 third-parties represented in the House of Commons, with 84 seats between them.
and he still would have lost. he got nearly 20% of the popular vote and exactly 0 electoral votes. until we change the system, they cannot win. sorry. please vote against fascism
Notably, had Perot won that potential 35% of the popular vote, he would have carried 32 states with 319 electoral votes, more than enough to win the presidency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot_1992_presidential_campaign#Results
But he didn’t. He didn’t get a single electoral vote.
Yes, but he would have won if everyone had voted how their heart desired.
Both major parties want you to believe that voting third-party is “throwing your vote away”, but it isn’t true. Simply expressing your heart’s desire and having it counted on the public record makes voting worthwhile, even if your candidate doesn’t win. (And in the case of Ross Perot, he would have won.)
You might as well say that voting for anyone except the candidate who is leading in the polls is throwing your vote away if that’s how you see it.
A woman from a formerly Communist Eastern European country once told me a story. After their country had democratized, there was an election held on the day of a horrible blizzard. Her mother and father wanted to vote for one candidate, and her brother and sister wanted to vote for the rival candidate.
“Why don’t we all just stay home, since our votes will cancel each other out anyway”, someone said. And so her mother and sister decided to stay home. But her father and brother went out into the blizzard to vote, knowing that their votes would cancel each other out.
They just wanted to participate in democracy. They wanted to express themselves and be counted, even if it didn’t change anything.
Or vote third-party, and you’ll probably get a senile President, but maybe not.
Vote third party and we are guaranteed to get a senile president. It’s a two party FPTP system.
Edit: Or just keep on thinking you have to settle for the lesser of two evils. (How’s that working out for you?)
Better than telling people to throw away their vote. How’s that working for you? How many 3rd party presidents have you gotten elected with your strategy? How many fascist policies has your strategy avoided us?
I’ve long fantasized of people being so fed up with both parties, that along would come a third party at the right time and enough people would flock to them that and vote them into office.
But it’s just that: A fantasy.
And anyways, there’s always the chance that said third party would be way way worse and maybe there’s a good reason why they weren’t more prominent to begin with.
I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have the same fantasy, but until we get election reform it will only ever be fantasy.
Once First Past the Post voting is gone, and ranked choice is in, third party will be viable.
But right now, that’s not the reality we live in.
Once the thing that’s never going to happen happens…
Well it’s certainly not going to happen if you ignore the realities of first past the post voting systems, vote third party, and let the party that depends on tactics to subvert democratic will win an election they shouldn’t have. Do that, and you may just not get to vote at all anymore.
Well it’s certainly not going to happen if you ignore the realities of first past the post voting systems,
If you’ve got a large popular mandate that reliably shows support for a policy (say, a large plurality willing to change FPTP to STB or Approval voting or whatever) then you can affect the change.
But even more than FPTP, we have a supermajority mandate to make changes to the electoral system on that scale.
Easier to win 50%+1 on an issue of policy than 67% on an issue of electoral function.
Do that, and you may just not get to vote at all anymore.
Civil Rights and Women’s Lib had to be achieved outside the electoral system, because these groups were deliberately disenfranchised.
Build a platform by building consensus, not pitching a longshot
Vote for all down ticket races and help get blue policy makers in every seat possible.
It’s obvious third parties have no chance. Why even pretend that’s not true?
What if I don’t like any of the major minor parties either?
If every single person on Lemmy voted third-party I guarantee you they wouldn’t carry a single state. In a two party dominated FPTP/winner takes all system voting third-party for president is irresponsible
In a two party dominated FPTP/winner takes all system voting third-party for president is irresponsible
So the two major parties keep telling us.
So stats tells us.
Vote third part and see how that works out for you.
Please don’t
Most of these people can’t be reasoned with. We’re at the point where there’s no excuses for them not to vote to keep Trump from taking over.
The gloves are off.
Okay, but swinging at third party people does nothing to sway them, tends to do the opposite, and tires you out. It’s like punching your own dick instead of your opponent in a boxing match.
They’re not third party. I’ll all but guarantee it. They’re just trying to ensure no one votes for Biden.
Because people not thinking like you is clear indication they are wrong. Sure
Will do. Thank you.
do not get a vote on whether or not to elect a senile President this cycle
Yeah this is just false.
Love that ratio!
Which candidate of our only 2 parties that matter isn’t senile this cycle?
He’s probably a brain parasite guy.
Poor little guy starved to death.
I support the brain worms for all American humans policy.
He said, with no examples or evidence of any kind.
Edit the way "vote’ is used in that sentence isn’t so much a ballot transaction…it’s more a “choice”.
Biden or trump WILL be the next president.
This sucks but cannot be avoided.
Edit edit choose left right or abstain, it’s all the same. A senile president will be the next president
Biden or trump WILL be the next president.
Both are over the mean life expectancy, neither is in particularly great health, and it’s another six months until the inauguration.
Sure. But the chances of both of them croaking in the next 6 months are very low.
Biden has the whole US government at his back, highly trained and motivated to not let the sitting US president die.
Trump, well, terrible bastards seem to never die.
But the chances of both of them croaking in the next 6 months are very low.
The way Biden looked with a simple cough? And with the physical burden a continuous high stakes campaign puts on a candidate?
Wouldn’t even be the first time a President campaigned himself into an early grave. Harrison, Taylor, Harding, and FDR all leap to mind.
Biden has the whole US government at his back, highly trained and motivated to not let the sitting US president die.
All the SS agents in the world can’t save you from COVID
If you’re counting on one of them dying before the election, keep dreaming. FFS, Trump might very well run while incarcerated and it probably won’t dissuade anyone who is already committed for him.
Trump might very well run while incarcerated
I’d put more money on one of them dying than seeing the inside of a prison cell. The judge in the Trump trial explicitly stated that he did not want to put a sitting president in prison.
Trump isn’t a sitting president yet, he’s still a former president.
Judge Merchan said that before the guilty verdict, when Trump violated his gag order 10 times consecutively. His next words after “I don’t want to put you in jail” were “…but I will if you continue to jeopardize the judicial process.” (paraphrasing). Obviously, the judge did not want to resort to jail for criminal contempt because the case had a lot of eyes on it and jumping to jail before issuing warnings and fines gives the impression of impropriety or bias, which could have been grounds for a mistrial had he taken Trump’s bait.
Most people think he’s going to walk on the basis that he has no prior criminal convictions and that he’s the presumptive Republican nominee, but there’s also the fact that he’s shown no remorse for his crimes even after the verdict and that allowing him to escape a prison term with a slap on the wrist house arrest or a fine will not realistically deter him or others from committing the same crime.
I’d say it’s still a good possibility that he sees jail. Probably not for the max 3 year sentence, but some token amount of incarceration would be appropriate. He’ll likely be out before taking office should he actually win, and they’ll probably make special provisions for him to continue campaigning, so he probably won’t even spend that much time in an actual cell.
The real kicker is his next conviction will mean he has to contend with a criminal history, which will vastly increase his chances of receiving actual prison time. That all hinges on him not getting elected and pardoning himself for all the federal crimes he’s accused of, the most severe of which being his role in the J6 insurrection and the classified documents case which could easily land him in prison for the rest of his life.
His next words after “I don’t want to put you in jail” were “…but I will if you continue to jeopardize the judicial process.”
After the tenth contempt citation.
Most people think he’s going to walk on the basis that he has no prior criminal convictions and that he’s the presumptive Republican nominee, but there’s also the fact that he’s shown no remorse for his crimes even after the verdict and that allowing him to escape a prison term with a slap on the wrist house arrest or a fine will not realistically deter him or others from committing the same crime.
I doubt he’ll make this particular mistake another time, mostly because he’s got too much media scrutiny to still run around with high end call girls.
But when it comes to the actual governance? He’s not going to get punished for that.
I’d say it’s still a good possibility that he sees jail
I would not put any amount of money on it.
The real kicker is his next conviction will mean he has to contend with a criminal history
All the rest of the cases are either dropped or delayed until after the election. Either way, there’s not going to be a “next conviction” before it no longer matters.
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I love how you accuse someone of being wrong- then go on to say a bunch of unproven opinionated nonsense. It’s almost as if you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
I need a remindme bot for a year out, lol.
I feel like you’re technically right that there is a (highly improbable) chance it will not be between Biden or trump, but it’s not something I’d lean on this hard, haha.
It’s not improbable at all.
Lol
Edit if you think the dnc is going to flexibly react to new information, and bring up a non establishment candidate, at this part of the game, well, you do you.
You seemingly need to hurl insults to disagree with people. Thats pretty lame. Disagree with my position all you like, that’s fine. But acting out isn’t helping your position.
So yeah, let’s chat again later on. I personally don’t think it’ll be anyone but trump or Biden.
Edit edit still no examples or evidence. When you’re suggesting things other than the norm/the status quo are gonna happen, you need to show up with more than a wall of text and a lot of sass lol
Who says it won’t be an establishment candidate?
Chill, mate. Go for a walk…
It’s up to the DNC as to which candidate takes the running ballot. I’m betting there are a lot of conversations right now about who will be that person.
You are half right and half wrong because that decision will come down to whether establishment Democrats or populist Democrats win.
And to be quiet frank, I don’t even think the DNC gets a say. Since Biden is the incumbent, unless he bows out voluntarily, I don’t think we the people or the DNC get to choose.
Our hands are really tied when it comes to the presidential frontrunner, unfortunately.
It’s always telling when some one insists that a statement is true when they themselves know that it isn’t.
It’s 💯 the case the Biden isn’t the nominee today. I’m not arguing if it’s going to be a progressive or a insider that replaces him. Frankly, I could give a shit because either will be doing instantly better than Biden.
Biden is replaceable and there is a cult of personality that has developed that believes this isn’t the case. They’re wrong. There as delusional as the right wing MAGA crowd and their doing MAGAs work for them as the useful idiots that they are.
It’s important to keep it clear that I’m not arguing that some how magically were going to replace Biden with a progressive. I’m arguing that needs to, and will be, replaced. That’s what Thursday showed us, and I know for a fact that the Beltway heard this.
The party that needs to be convinced is Harris. And I think she can be. All of these machinations are happening this weekend, as we speak.
My called shot: Biden steps down as early as Monday, as late as two weeks from Monday. I’m going to be making some calls and seeing what tea I can find spilled.
I never refuted your claim in certainty, rebutting with my own truth statements. In my comment, I pointed to the variables in effect leading to whether Biden stays in the race or bows out. Realistically, it’s uncertain at this moment.
I will say that if and once donors dry up, I do think that the DNC will take action. What action that is will depend.
It’s going to be an exciting few days/weeks.
Biden shit the bed and should fuck off. But I’d vote for his corpse over any filthy republican traitor.
Both candidates would be more attractive to me if they died actually lol I wish we had the option to just skip having a president for 4 years haha
Why is there no option in the US to vote no confidence and force both parties to reelect new candidates?
Dunno if it’s interesting to you, but communists in Russia often say that it can only get democratic again when the “against all” variant is returned to ballots (CPRF is usually not considered something genuine).
Because our electoral system was created 200+ years ago and hasn’t had a major overhaul since.
The biggest overhaul was the Apportionment Act of 1911, which destroyed proportional representation in the US House of Representatives and Electoral College. If not for that, the GOP would have to move Left to gain support from high population states.
Oh, so 200+ years ago it wasn’t so bad. LOL
That’s the thing. It still was but in different ways.
At least as pretense, the primaries are meant to prevent the need for that. And we like to pretend a third party could be successful if the other two are sufficiently incompetent/corrupt. In practice, the lawmakers will never implement a process that gives any amount of their power to the people. There was a window of time in the 90’s - 00’s where we thought the future might hold something other than the cyberpunk dystopia we all see coming. Now I’m reduced to just trying to enjoy the last vestiges of the middle class before it’s gone. Umm, but yeah, we should be able to vote no confidence.
Jesus fucking Christ I hate that I can’t tell if ur from the us or not cuz our constituency is so fucking dumb
A shame the electoral college voters won’t feel the same way
This demonstrates just how bad the copiate crisis has become among neolibs
This whole night was so many layers of exhausting, but probably not for the reasons you think… No rational, serious person was expecting Biden to Willy Wonka front somersault into this debate? it was going to be what this was, the only true surprise was probably the volume of his voice (which they chalk up to a cold, okay fine, I guess) and actually how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump’s gish gallop and unchecked stream of consciousness mistruth firehose with little help from the impotent moderators for the majority of the night.
The people in this country, in their immediate reaction to this debate, demonstrate that they just fundamentally lack the focus, empathv and frankly basic intelligence to process the substance of this or any debate. On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler… Or a dog.
Volume is a minor issue, the problem was the half finished thoughts and odd transitions between them.
It’s called watching the clock and getting flustered trying to not run over time.
It’s always fun when people suddenly forget that Biden has a stutter. I’m not even 40 and, perfectly healthy, sometimes can’t finish a fucking sentence and just move on to the next point. The only reason people don’t say I have dementia is because I don’t look old enough to hurl the accusation.
Elections are all about optics, and the optics are he might not even make it to the general election, let alone the following 4 years if elected. The populace is starting to wonder how much Biden is just a real life Weekend at Bernies now where they really weren’t before.
How many stuttering acting presidents do you remember?
Also Biden isn’t just having a stutter. It was clear he lost his train of thought multiple times, like destroying medicaid, constantly mixing thousands, millions, billions and trillions or his talk about abortion trimesters.
This sounded like they gave him elaborate sentences to remember beforehand and he butchered them all, because of not learning them by heart and not fully grasping what they actually mean.
Meanwhile Trump was just doing Trump and Biden came wholly unprepared for that. Repeating what Trump said with “the idea that … is ridiculous” is just repeating what he said, further giving it agency. How could they be unprepared for Trump being Trump after 8 years of him already?
Elaborate on “trump doing trump”?
“We had the best administration ever.” “The economy was great. He destroyed it all.” “We have the worst economy now.” “He is the worst president.” “We will make America great again.” “It is the millions of immigrants.”
It is the exact same rhetoric like in 2016 and 2020 and during all of his presidency. Trump is the greatest the others are the worst, blame the immigrants and claim the other side to be unpatriotic.
Trump was sometimes even addressing Biden directly with “Joe what are you doing?”. And in the end the only topic were Biden sought the confrontation was on who of them is the better golfer, which only made him look more detached from the people. He would have needed to attack Trump, provoke him, expose his lies in a way where he is stumbling over his contradictions. If he was rhetorically smart about it, Biden could have overplayed his poor health.
Sounds like you’ve never socialized with others who have a stutter. Instead of understanding how different mental/physical impairments affect people, you’d rather just make assumptions and baseless claims that confirm your own biases. Biden’s stutter is a well documented ailment that has affected him, in similar ways, for a long time - we just got to see it when he was clearly under the weather.
You can factually disagree with Biden’s policies, but to create this elaborate scenario out of whole cloth and purposely ignore Trump’s own verbal missteps just tells all of us all we need to know about why you commented.
What are you talking about? There is certain demands to the health, to the intelligence, to the eloquence and charisma of a president. Biden showed little of it in the debate.
If he has a stutter, which i don’t remember seeing in press conferences a few years back, then it got much worse on the one hand and the strategy for what to say and what not to say on the other hand failed tremendously.
I know one thing about stutters though. How strongly it shows is often directly related to how nervous, scared, agitated or stressed someone is. If Biden is emotionally troubled with dealing with Trump like this, to make his stutter show this extremely, then i don’t want him to be in a room with leaders like Putin or Xi, who will just eat him alive.
It showed that Biden is an old men with declining physical and mental health. Anyone watching him in this debate and the many occasions in the last year where he was blitzed out, recognizes that.
Biden is unfit for office. Trump is unfit for office. Anyone riding the Biden train now and blocking the pulling of the emergency brakes is riding this train into the abyss. And that is what helps Trump and the Reps the most.
It’s called dementia
Thankfully that’s only a problem for one of the candidates, right? Right?
Oh no, definitely both of them suck, and both are showing cognitive decline. Biden is just showing it worse. Or maybe it’s just that Trump has always been a rambling moron, so it’s harder to tell if he’s having a senior moment or just being himself.
Either way, Trump’s supporters are too stupid to care or even notice his mental health. Half of them probably don’t even believe in mental health. The people Biden needs to vote for him do notice and care though. It’s just a fact of life, and the DNC really needs to come to terms with reality.
I guess from that point of view it really is only a problem for one of the candidates.
For what it’s worth, watch a video of Trump after 9/11. He was still a narcissistic ass, but he was far more cogent.
Not really. I’ve had some close family get dementia, it doesn’t look like that. If Biden had dementia, there is 0 chance they would have stood him up for a debate. It’s really a condition called “fucking old”.
This definitely is dementia. I know it from my own family. Especially with people having good days and bad days. The talk now about how Biden just had a bad day, is just reinforcing it.
Trump was showing what it looks like to “just be” “fucking old”. Probably by the time he is Bidens age he will be equally far demented, but he is three years younger. There is absolutely no way that Biden won’t be a complete vegetable in the last year of the upcoming term and for Trump it is a pretty solid risk.
The DNC needs to switch out Biden now. They should have done it many months ago, but the denial and delusion about Bidens health are going to help make Trump win this one.
You know the moderators are there to enforce the rules of the debate, right? They aren’t live fact checkers. Their job is to manage clocks, present questions, and occasionally, ask a followup question, not to defend one particular position or person.
Strawman, nobody is arguing the point you’re trying to make about the moderators themselves? I’m citing CNN as host and moderator, their anchors are just deaf weight seat filters under strict orders from zaslov and the billionaire.
They are saying that the network that wraps and produces the entire thing should have done it with a real time overlay graphic fed by a room of professional fact checkers working in real time to provide context (you did notice that the debate was coming into your living room through a magic plastic box and it was not actually a tiny window into a tiny room in your home that held two tiny old men inside arguing, right?)
This is extremely simple and completely necessary with trump - simple because he just repeats the same 5 lazy, limp lies, you wouldn’t even need to research in real time, just 5 big brightly colored buttons to press that display pre-written fact check graphics for each of those stale lies.
Imagine in your opinion though, a plain text box that says, "There is no support CNN has found for Mr. trump’s claim that ‘everyone in Mexico is a terrorist that is both murdering, and has just been murdered, at all times.’ is “defending one particular position or person”.
Child.
…how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump’s gish gallop and unchecked stream of consciousness mistruth firehose with little help from the impotent moderators
This ain’t you fam? Maybe read what you wrote before you accuse someone else of building a strawman.
Now take your shitty ad-hominems and fuck off.
It’s good to see common sense in here. While Biden did not make a good show- the fact remains that he is up against a convicted felon and a fascist traitor to his country.
I’m glad to see reason in most of the responses.
You do realize he didn’t do well, right? This is having a huge influence on his electability. Especially because he has been hiding from cameras forever and things won’t get better for him
Looking at this objectively as an international, biden will lose and should step down
Go away Russian bot.
This is a hhill I’m willing to die on… Looking at his recent speeches what made you think “this guy’ll invigorate the nation”
Go huff your own farts russian bot
Do you know that a bot is?
Put the pizzagate down, russian bot.
I’ll take that as a no. Blocked then.
