It’s unfair to compare Trump to the Joker. The Joker is a strategic and tactical and logistical genius, he didn’t inherit his position from “Papa Clown Show” and pretend to be good at what he does.
Joker for president!
This was the first time in Batman history that The Joker got to be Gotham major?
It’s so genius, that made me believe it’s already happened before.
As far as I know it’s the first, but I’m not well-versed in the comics.
Man, season 4 did him dirty. There was so much they could do to exploit this arc of his and instead treated it like an old joke.
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Hilarious
ROFL
Doing away with First Past The Post voting will allow us to choose a different, better option.
Terrible analogy.
This is the goddamn DNC’s fault. They are allergic to supporting anyone that’s not an old school establishment Democrat.
Give us a suitable candidate. Biden is too old and everyone knows it.
Give us someone that is actually progressive and that actually wants to help the American people. We have a few very obvious issues that neither of our geriatric overlords are addressing.
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ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE. This is the most important one. Just do something. Anything. Nothing is being done and it’s getting hotter every year.
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Lower the cost of living. Rent is out of control. Food costs are out of control. It’s hard to live right now. Protect US citizens from corporate greed.
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Fix the real estate market. Most of us will never be able to own a house because several corporations have been allowed to run amok. Make it so the average person can buy a house.
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Healthcare for all. It’s not complicated.
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Stop the genocide.
Put someone forward with this obvious and simple platform, and I promise they win.
We are not married to Biden. Get us someone younger. Why is this so hard?
- During Biden’s first term, we’ve made several of the biggest steps toward addressing climate change, ever
- Biden has made huge steps, despite congressional opposition, in making education and healthcare more affordable
- The real estate and rental prices are local, and some of us live where our local politicians are at least trying
Yeah, Biden has done a lot of really good shit. The president only has so much power.
Run, I’ll vote for you, hell id run on that platform exactly if I had a few million for campaigning.
Fucking thank you. I agree with every single one of these things
Wanna run for president? I’ll vote
Primaires are over. That was the time to select the DNC candidate.
You did have someone younger. DURING THE PRIMARIES WHEN THIS DECISION WAS MADE. PAY ATTENTION.
Or perhaps you didn’t like the younger man’s decisions.
So then maybe age alone doesn’t hold all the answers to everyone’s problems as you’d have us all believe.
Who did you have on your primary ballot? Mine was Biden and No Preference
Your mom
I would vote for scops mom over biden
ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE.
that’s our job. government is not going to solve this. wanna make change for the better? start training for guerilla warfare.
What are we as individuals supposed to do? I can only cut down on my polluting so much. My ability to do so is severely limited by the options available to me which are decided by corporations.
Especially cause it’s a myth that regular people have all the power when it comes to climate change. Most of the issues come directly from factories that could be doing better to minimize toxic waste and pollution but instead they spend billions lobbying to make it okay.
Yea, I can cut down on my driving, try not to be wasteful, and look for less plastic packaging and all that but that all depends on what options are available to me. If I need something and all the options are in the worst packaging possible or they sell electronic garbage that breaks after a year because the company doesn’t care then it’s out of my hands.
Yea, at the end of the day my only solace is that I’m not having kids and neither are my siblings so I don’t have to worry about the planet being fucked for them. Don’t get me wrong i’ll still do everything I can for our youth and I’m a punk at heart but I won’t lose too much sleep over it.
Yea, I’m not interested in having kids either. Which now that I think of it is a pretty good benefit for the environment too as I’m cancelling out all my potential descendants emissions.
make the corporations scared of us/force their hand. hit their pocket books. make consequences for immoral CEO’s. don’t wait for government to do it. that window has closed.
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Guerilla warfare against who? The people causing climate change don’t live in jungles.
We’re really gonna civil war before breaking the two party system with Ranked Choice voting?
Oh course, the democrats are more important then stopping the civil war…
Because for someone to get elected, they need more than just YOUR vote, David.
There are millions of voters that might agree with points 1,2,3 and 4, but don’t think it’s a genocide. They won’t vote for your guy.
Millions more agree with 1,2,3 and 5. But your guys ideas on Healthcare is a non-starter. More lost votes.
See where I’m going here? Your guy didn’t even say a WORD about abortion rights, immigration, gun laws, unemployment, inflation, global war and terrorism, technology threats, the economy, tariffs, and so much more.
It’s not the DNCs fault. Do you know how the Republicans made abortion illegal again? They attacked it year after year, and nobody on the left defended it. We just sit in message boards passively crying “Give us a suitable candidate!!”
It’s a joke. Not an analogy lol
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They be like: your options are a shit sandwich or getting shot in the head.
When all along your options are every other food too, they just removed them from the menu.
You still should pick the shit sandwich over the shot to the head, but you should as hell be mad at both the one who would pull the trigger and the ones who left you with a shit sandwich as the viable alternative.
Eat the sandwich, remove the trigger man then go after the restaurant owners.
Eating the shit sandwich will result in always getting a shit sandwich
2016: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
2020: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
2024: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
Can’t understand why the Democratic Party isn’t more popular.
The democratic choice in both 2016 and 2020 were actually good. Biden has been the most progressive president ever, as sad as that is.
Biden has been the most progressive president ever
Not even inside the top five, as sad as that is.
Why cannot Robin take care of the Batcave? Why Alfred want the Batcave so bad when is clear that he need to retire and let a younger generation have their time?
Ain’t Robin also running around in yoga pants and cape, hopping at unexpected individuals in dark alleys?
A joker who is just as old as Alfred.*
Who cares if they die day 1 in office? It’s about which party is in charge.
It’s about which person is not going to have and abuse his Presidential power.
Biden has been doing it too but yknow, abuse is cool when its blue.
Seems you clearly understood who I was talking about. The two are not the same, even remotely.
Trump wants power regardless of whether he wins the election or not, tried to take power when he lost, and many of his own cabinet appointees and his own vice president have come out against him. He spreads lies incessantly, sides with Putin in everyway and is denigrating to our intelligence agencies and military. Not to mention being a guy that brags about sexually assaulting women, talks about his own daughter sexually and was good friends with a known pedophile. He’s even said he wouldn’t release info on Epstein and those he associated with.
“I support abuse of presidential power when its blue”
Good for you, buddy
What power is Biden abusing exactly? And I’m a registered Republican btw, but not one that’ll support a fascist who has tried to dismantle our democracy.
That’s not a quote, you seem to be providing disinformation / lying / are incompetently insane. Which is it?
He’s saying we have to support Bidens abuse of power to protect us from Trump’s, so yes he is saying it. Abuse you support personally is still abuse.
I’d rather Kamala be president than Trump, any day. Kamala isn’t a convicted felon.
Choice seems really easy, but so many people make life more complicated than it really is. I don’t get it anymore.
Because you keep presenting a false dichotomy and ignore the actual problem being discussed here.
The question is: do you want a senile person or a career prosecutor as a president?
Ok yeah, but that doesn’t mean we need to choose Alfred to do the actual fighting against the Joker. Instead, it’s perfectly OK to say “Hey Alfred, let Batman handle the Joker, you watch and provide advice if you’re needed.”
batman’s not running for president. time to face reality.
Or even “Hey Alfred, could you stop giving the Joker those bombs he’s using to kill children?”
If you aren’t happy with the candidates: PAY ATTENTION DURING THE PRIMARIES. You can’t complain now which restaurant to eat at only when the food arrives at the table. You’re coming in way the fuck Too late now for this argument.
People were saying the same shit about Biden during the primaries, they were saying the same shit during the primaries of the last election. It doesn’t matter. the Dem leadership rig it to run whoever they want to run.
Didn’t Bernie run in the last primary?
2020 yes, 2024 no. Biden had small time candidates against him in the primaries (Dean Phillips, Marianne Williamson, RFK).
The consensus in the DNC was for no major candidates to challenge him as it may shake his standing. It’s tradition to not primary against an incumbent.
“President Carter won’t debate me!!!” - Guess who
Ah yes, I had it in my head that they didn’t primary at all, as opposed to it being traditionally non-competitive. Thanks for the correction
During the primaries, there was only one candidate! Joe! That was it!
Then run yourself. Stop complaining for someone else to do something. You’re just as ineffective as who you hate.
Wow guess who didnt pay attention to the primaries
Hey you’re only reach here is crying someone else to do a thing so you’d vote for them. Way to be ineffective to any of your problems.
Fair point. Since I am not part of the elite donor class, I am ineffective. Best I manage is a noncommittal form letter in response to mail and phone calls
I wish I was this dumb. Maybe then I could believe in the fantasy of getting representation in exchange for my vote and/or taxation.
The democratic primary was canceled in many states, they made it impossible for anyone to run a serious campaign. They wouldn’t even have the candidates for interviews on their networks, not even to maybe pressure Biden to stop leaning so far to the right.
Actually they did. You slept through it and watched the trial instead.
The fact the office of the president has to be likened to Alfred to make sense is quite underhanded and indicative of a greater issue.
And yet the most pressing issue right now is Alfred vs. Joker. It’s one or the other unless something drastic changes. So pick Alfred and then work on the next problem.
The ‘next’ problems are concurrent, unfortunately.
The GOP may very well wind up with a veto proof Congress at this rate and it will all be for nought.
First priority has to be shutting out the Joker, then Alfred will even help find the next Batman
No no, it’s 1st world human nature to make things worse. Why fix the billionaire problem now, when we can elect the joker and try and fix it then? It’ll be so much easier to fix it then, right?
I hate our instant gratification culture so much.
But you also don’t have Alfred as the one suiting up to fight the Joker either.
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No, but you DO replace him.
Yup. But you deal with one problem at a time. Right now we have a real Joker problem with immediate and dire consequences.
Following your analogy to its logical conclusion, we’re about to send Alfred out to take care of this Joker problem. It seems like we should find a Batman instead, or at least a Robin, before Alfred gets his ass handed to him.
Bro have you seen Alfred fight?
The problem would not be Alfred losing, it would be stopping him from plugging the Joker like an out of charge phone because he has made very clear that he does not share Batman’s distaste for firearms.
This whole discussion is itself a metaphor, the people who are the most worried are the ones who understand the least about who they’re talking about.
Yeah, Alfred was also originally a fat amateur sleuth who wanted to figure out Batman’s secret identity, and was then retconned into Bruce/Batman’s confidant. He wasn’t even a father figure to Bruce until the '80s, and the, “Alfred is a secret badass,” thing is something they’ve been picking up and dropping since the 90s. This comment is actually a great metaphor for all of the political discussions on Lemmy; a guy who thinks he’s an expert even though his base of knowledge goes back less than 10 years.
“well akshualay that doesn’t count because 80s or something”
Isn’t that the exact same thing people say about why nothing Biden does that’s even remotely progressive deserves credit?
LOL, first comment: “Well, akshualay, if you read the comics, you’d know that the Joker would get wrecked by Alfred.”
Second comment: “This nerd is correcting me!”
Life comes at you fast, huh?
One problem at a time means dealing with what’s in front of us with the tools we have at hand. Perfect is the enemy of good/better
Also Alfred is a fucking Chad
No, the problem in front of us is that the only person standing between us American fascism just went on TV and made himself look old and senile. Ignoring that problem and plowing through with compromised candidate isn’t dealing with one problem at a time, it’s ignoring a problem and hoping it goes away.
You think that the actual fascist isn’t the bigger problem…odd.
Not what I said, but cool lie dude!
You had your chance at the primaries.
In fact there was a younger man,
Oh but no one liked his ideas.
So maybe age isn’t the real issue then.
I like how Democrats always frame this as the only two choices. They really, REALLY want to lose.
You have a better solution for tens of millions of voters to organize behind in the next 4 months?
They had 4 years to light l find and line someone else up. Biden’s age isn’t a surprise that snuck up on anyone
Soooo no other solutions? Gotcha, I’ll stick with the plan to vote Biden and let Harris take over if he steps down.
So as an individual you have 4 options:
1- vote for Biden: democrats maintain the current path as that’s literally what’s happening now
2- vote Trump: either they maintain their current path or democrats have to pivot
3- vote third party: if that party gets enough votes one of the main parties will catwr to the messaging of that party to take those voters in the next cycle as it’s an easy win
4- don’t vote: if enough people don’t vote they’ll cater more to them next cycle but that’s harder to aim in the direction you’d want to promote.
Is that a good enough breakdown? So if I were to rank my options I’d go for 3,4,2,1
You’ve said that choosing options 3, or 4 will send a message to change party opinions for the next cycle. But the message it sends is ambiguous at best. It could be interpreted to mean that people are unhappy with the system and demand change; but it could also mean that people are indifferent, or disengaged, or ill-informed, or have been prevented / dissuaded from exercising their right to vote. Or perhaps it could be interpreted on policy grounds: perhaps votes are unhappy with genocide… or perhaps not, perhaps they are war-hungry. Perhaps want stricter rules to control anti-social behaviour … or the opposite.
If you don’t vote at all, your message is basically just noise. It communicates nothing, because whatever message you think it sends it could also be sending the opposite. Voting third-party would be less bad, except that many third parties are exist disingenuously as a tactical way to split votes, to increase the change of victory for the party of opposite values to what the third party purports to represent.
If lets say 10% of people vote for the green party. We know that what people want relates to their messaging and they’d try and take voters away from them as it’s easier than taking republicans or people that refuse to vote since you know what the green party stands for. That’s different than voting for the social democrats and so on.
You can’t lump options 3 and 4 together like that.
Not voting sends the message that people are dissatisfied or feel disenfranchised. Now if the Democrats win they won’t care to change. Or even if they nearly win. But if they loose badly they’ll have to cater to these voters. And thus a pivot would be in order. But like we’re both said, not voting harder to take get a party to move in that direction
It’s way easier to run a campaign this way, though. Who wants to acknowledge that the US issues are structural and require solutions that would go against the lobbyists and donors’ best interests?
But due to the first-past-the-post system, these are the only two options. The primaries are when you choose the candidates, and the election is when you choose the winner of the candidates. That’s the system you have. You really need to switch to a preferential voting system if you want to have more than two options in the presidential election.
The unstated choice is a different candidate for Dems. Joe ran in 2020 as…
…oh fuck nevermind.
I’ve wanted Biden to croak and the party be forced to get behind Kamala sooo bad. Boom, younger candidate, female, minority(Indian mother, Jamaican father) incumbent that can be elected 2 more times. Maybe the plan is for it to happen next term? Idk. I don’t know a single thing she’s done besides be a VP, but damn give me someone who doesn’t look like they gonna die any second.
Kamala isn’t very likeable, and I saw a recent interview (about Biden’s debate performance) where she acted pretty unhinged. She talked at Anderson Cooper like he was a child, had a wierd speech cadence, and smiled psychotically.
Only thing I know about her is she was a DA and prosecuted a lot of people for cannabis.
I’m actually not sure if she’d have a better chance at winning than Biden.
If, somehow, Biden wins, I’d bet she’d be president soon after. Rumors are Biden’s sundowning, and isn’t very coherent after 3pm. That’s only going to get worse, forcing him to step-down (or one would hope).
Harris would probably be a status-quo (i.e. actual conservative) president. Not good, but not as bad as a fascist president.
It’s this endless litany of “Just because our guy sucks…” and I can’t imagine what that message is going to do to turnout in three months
