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Israel is partly to blame for supporting Hamas to undermine Fatah. And, of course, for the general tension caused by the occupation and blockade.
Simultaneously, Israeli civilians should not be the victims, and their blood remains on Hamas’s hands.
Both things are true. Though I somehow doubt the Saudis and Iran are out here condemning the rise of Hamas.
I mean I doubt it would’ve even come this far if Israel would’ve quit killing Palestinian civilians.
Honestly, once Hamas was ascendant, I don’t think even stopping the killing of Palestinian civilians would’ve prevented further terrorist attacks. Like, the last serious chance for peace in the near-future was when Fatah was the only game in town and willing to negotiate. That opportunity was wasted because the Israeli establishment thought they could play divide and conquer and squeeze a better deal out of the already-oppressed.
You make good points and I’m not disagreeing but just think about it for a second: what a huge change it would require for Israel to stop killing Palestinian children. It would take a massive and concerted effort, policy changes, deployment changes, and an amount of care and restraint the world has never seen.
I think it would change Israel 110% if they absolutely, positively had to stop killing children. Everything they do is fundamentally built around it. So really stopping it actually might change everything.
They didn’t know how good they had it with Fateh. But hey they fucked around and are finding out. Yassar Arafat is laughing in his grave.
When you treat people like shit for years, don’t be surprised if they fight back.
Israel has constantly held these people under the heel. Which is a bit rich when you think about all the wringing hands and what have you when anyone mentions the holocaust and the hard time Jews got in Europe before WWII.
I used to think Israel was the hard done by party here, over the last 30 odd years I’ve come to realise Israel are not the shining example of perfection they’d like us all to believe.
Israel is an apartheid state. They are reaping what they have sown.
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And we can condemn the Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity as well.
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Rubber band is snapping back
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I am wondering to what extent Hamas represents the Palestinians.
FWIW, Hamas won the last election that the Palestinian Authority held in 2006 (!) Fatah pretty much kept the West Bank, denying Hamas the victory, but couldn’t stop Hamas from taking over in Gaza. My understanding of PA politics was that negotiation with Israel was seen as a dead end and that any party with negotiations as a primary tactic was going to lose. And Israel is responsible for that perception.
Hamas was elected in 2006 but has held on to power since. A poll from a few years back showed 52% support still, but I would hope that’s had a steep crash now
Pretty sure Hamas is to blame for Hamas attack.
I mean, they aren’t the only ones. A lot of people, including myself, say that. The better part of a century of oppression, and people are surprised that Palestinians are turning to a fundamentalist religious group to save them? You can only poke a cornered animal for so long before it turns and attacks you. I’ve got no sympathy for Israel, and I wish nothing but misery on them.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The governments of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Iran appeared to back Hamas in its escalating conflict with Israel on Saturday.
The Palestinian militant group launched a mass attack on Israeli forces and settlements, killing at least 100 people in Israel and about 200 in Gaza early Saturday.
While leaders in the U.S. and Europe quickly denounced the attack and gave support for Israel, the three Middle Eastern nations criticized the country over its treatment of Palestinians.
“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is closely following the developments of the unprecedented situation between a number of Palestinian factions and the Israeli occupation forces, which has resulted in a high level of violence on several fronts there,” the country’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the conflict a “war” in a public address early Saturday.
The U.S. has vowed to support Israel, with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin saying the government will ensure the country “has what it needs to defend itself.”
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Heartbreaking: the worst countries you know…
Without a doubt another step closer to WW3.
Here’s hoping China doesn’t attempt to invade Taiwan this decade with all this other shit going on.
