I mean, the most straightforward way that would have the best outcome is if all domestic abuse claims are treated as credible and investigated equally. The current issue with how domestic abuse victims that are men are treated, which itself is rather tied into the long-term stereotypically viewpoint on men that the bad parts of the MRA groups have perpetuated, is the idea that men can’t be abused, raped, or anything like that.
Changing that perception socially is the key to better treatment and outcomes being available, for organizations like what Silverman made to be taken seriously.
into the long-term stereotypically viewpoint on men that the bad parts of the MRA groups have perpetuated, is the idea that men can’t be abused, raped, or anything like that.
Huh? That’s…never been a position I’ve ever seen taken seriously in MRA spaces. The opposite actually.
It’s not as bad as it used to be once upon a time, but once upon a time (still in the 21st century, but I’m probably older and been in this kind of conversation longer than most of you) it was mostly feminist types claiming that men couldn’t be victims, or minimizing what that meant (like Mary Koss describing a man being drugged and forced into vaginal intercourse with a woman against his will as just “unwanted contact” rather than assault or rape just 8 years ago).
Are you getting MRAs confused with incels or the grosser flavors of PUAs?
We need to cultivate a culture where we don’t allow privilege to influence our willingness to investigate abuse claims. Coming from the nonbinary community where abuse rates are high and male-female dynamics are less common, I’ve noticed most people will simply side with whoever is their friend. As a result, the people with the most social privilege can get away with abuse, and people with more severe mental disabilities such as autism have fewer friends and get abused more. Coming from my perspective, I believe when gender privilege is introduced into the equation is just one more modifier on the loyalties I already saw determining people’s reactions instead of facts.
If we had a society built around the principles of those social dynamics instead of trying to suppress them (I am not saying that’s what you’re doing), we’d be in a much better place imo.
🤔 So we need to focus on solutions.
What do you think would solve the problem of domestic abuse as a whole?
I mean, the most straightforward way that would have the best outcome is if all domestic abuse claims are treated as credible and investigated equally. The current issue with how domestic abuse victims that are men are treated, which itself is rather tied into the long-term stereotypically viewpoint on men that the bad parts of the MRA groups have perpetuated, is the idea that men can’t be abused, raped, or anything like that.
Changing that perception socially is the key to better treatment and outcomes being available, for organizations like what Silverman made to be taken seriously.
Huh? That’s…never been a position I’ve ever seen taken seriously in MRA spaces. The opposite actually.
It’s not as bad as it used to be once upon a time, but once upon a time (still in the 21st century, but I’m probably older and been in this kind of conversation longer than most of you) it was mostly feminist types claiming that men couldn’t be victims, or minimizing what that meant (like Mary Koss describing a man being drugged and forced into vaginal intercourse with a woman against his will as just “unwanted contact” rather than assault or rape just 8 years ago).
Are you getting MRAs confused with incels or the grosser flavors of PUAs?
We need to cultivate a culture where we don’t allow privilege to influence our willingness to investigate abuse claims. Coming from the nonbinary community where abuse rates are high and male-female dynamics are less common, I’ve noticed most people will simply side with whoever is their friend. As a result, the people with the most social privilege can get away with abuse, and people with more severe mental disabilities such as autism have fewer friends and get abused more. Coming from my perspective, I believe when gender privilege is introduced into the equation is just one more modifier on the loyalties I already saw determining people’s reactions instead of facts.
If we had a society built around the principles of those social dynamics instead of trying to suppress them (I am not saying that’s what you’re doing), we’d be in a much better place imo.
Which social dynamics?
All of them
Like Patriarchy? I think a society based on the social dynamics of patriarchy is bad.
Nah, take the fact that it and all of the -isms play important roles in how people think and act and take steps to mitigate it.
Accepting evil is not the same as embracing it.