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So we’ve reached “bargaining”. Good to know.
The Simpsons isn’t just an animated sitcom. It’s a documentary about the future:
I knew i saw this idea somewhere. I just couldn’t decide if it was futurama or the Simpson
Their staff is full of masons, lol.
- Reduction of fossil fuels
- Literally block out the sun
we’re fucked
Even if we stopped all use of fossil fuels overnight, there’s a lot of ‘baked in’ warming. This isn’t ‘instead of’ it’s ‘in addition to’ when it comes to halting warming.
Yep, it takes about 30 years to see the effects, what we’re dealing with right now is the 1993 emissions, if we stopped using all fossil fuels right this instant things would continue to get worse well into the 2050s.
Won’t help with ocean acidification. Stop using fossil fuels, leave it in the ground.
Yeah, I saw a link to a study that modeled outcomes within the next fre decades where acidification kills enough marine life and favors the reproduction of other microbes. Something about either low oxygen in the oceans and/or the atmosphere, or maybe a dangerous increase in stmospheric toxins resulting from that.
Maybe I’ll try and find it to verify.
Growing evidence that governments/corporations would sooner give up seeing the goddamn sun than get off even a fraction of fossil fuel usage
to be fair, they’ll probably make it block only infrared light, so the visible luminosity stays the same at first…
Then they will be selling ad space on the sunshield! Remember this tweet.
Will they use diamondium or diamondillium?
WERNSTROM!!!
I just watched this episode lol.
Given much of the transition to renewable energy is planned to be solar this may be counterproductive. China is rolling out monumental amounts of solar at the moment, we can’t just block the sun since it’s part of the solution.
Unless we block the sun with a big solar panel!
That’s a feature, not a bug. Using geo-engineering will take the pressure off of fossil fuel reduction policies. So why use solar power when you can happily continue burning coal and oil?
Sun Power Beaming
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/news/2022-09-solar-power-beams-a-step-towards-cleaner-energy
https://www.space.com/space-solar-power-satellite-beams-energy-1st-time
This is the scifi future baby! Everything going up from now on 🚀
They lit an LED with a radio and a rectifier. Nothing futuristic involved at all.
I was mostly joking 😂
Consider me successfully poe’d then. Seen so many people taking it seriously and claiming we need to focus on that instead of land based.
Literally what happened in the Matrix.
This is the world that you know: the world as it was at the end of the 20th century. It exists now only as a part of a neural-interactive simulation that we call the Matrix… We have only bits and pieces of information, but what we know for certain is that at some point in the early 21st century, all of mankind was united in celebration.
We marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to AI: a singular consciousness that spawned an entire race of machines. We don’t know who struck first, us or them, but we know that it was us that scorched the sky. At the time, they were dependent on solar power, and it was believed that they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the sun.
Which was really sooooo dumb. “At the time they were reliant on solar power…” as if we aren’t 🙄
I love those movies but their joke thermodynamics are simply atrocious.
The original plot of the movie was that humans were not an energy source but the computing substrate; that all those brains were networked together as a meat-based platform for the AIs to run on, which is why Neo was able to change reality in the Matrix, because he was able to override the programming for the chunk running on him at any given time, just by thinking it.
But the fucking mouthbreathers they got in for their focus groups didn’t get the concept, so they had to rewrite it, demoting humans to freaking lemon-batteries and making a mockery of the whole thing.
Yes I’m bitter.
I can’t blame the focus group participants in that scenario. Maybe using brains as a computing platform is only confusing to morons (which I doubt), but that doesn’t mean they needed to leap to a flatly nonsensical alternative.
I’ve heard this one commonly suggested as a “that would have been better” but was it actually the original script? Is there a source on this?
Damn that makes so much more sense!
Because clearly stacking people in buckets of gloop is the most efficient energy source available.
Wasn’t that specifically in reference to the machines? So the viewer knows that they weren’t relying on fossil fuels and access to sunlight would be their weakness.
What could ever go wrong
Literally the deranged plot that got Mr Burns shot in the Simpsons
I thought it was because he stole Maggie’s lollypop
Truly the age of social media.
“The Sun is killing us!”
“Just block him, bro.”
Has no one seen The Matrix/Animatrix?!
I saw it on Futurama It’s all fun and games till a tiny asteroid pachinks the side of it and it burns a hole through Kyoto, Anagram lover’s Tokyo.
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This is what I call a “hotfix” .
American arrogance at its best.
The EU is also thinking about the same exact measures:
This is human hubris just like how the Holocene extinction is human hubris, we don’t need to pin things on any single national entity.
I think it’s a combination of hubris and desperation. Hubris because it could still go very wrong and serve us a frozen extinction instead of a boiling one. Desperation because those who acknowledge what’s happening know that something probably needs to be done to not only stop but reverse this but the corporations might be more likely to burn it all down protecting their interests than cooperate.
The “easy” solutions will likely lead to war and might not even help anything at this point. The promising technologies still need to be scaled up (also in a way that makes sure we don’t overshoot the cooling targets or remove so much CO2 that plants die out).
The more I think of it, the more I like this desperate idea. If it does work too well, we can always just send more rockets to move whatever it is out of the way. Which we should have built and ready to go shortly after the blocker is deployed. Preferably sitting in orbit to minimize the chances of it screwing up if desperately needed.
Hmm sunlight is also a carbon reducer since it drives photosynthesis. But desperate times…
All I can think of is the last episode of the show Dinosaurs. This is the wax fruit factory and the bunch beetles all over again, except with us as the stars of our own show.
God damn was that a downer ending for a lighthearted sitcom. That kids watched. I didn’t see the final episode until I was an adult, but I bet a bunch of kids were traumatized when it first aired.
Imagine if, instead of the four of them ending in jail at the end of Seinfeld, they died in a nuclear holocaust. Or if How I Met Your Mother ended with zombies eating the whole gang while we watched them scream. I’m guessing that was the level of trauma for kids watching the finale of Dinosaurs.
It was a total downer. As an adult, I don’t watch that episode anymore. It had some enjoyable content, but I can’t start it because of how bleak it gets. Otherwise, that show is probably among my top 50.
The main aerosols proposed for SRM also cause ozone depletion and acid rain. There is some level of control as to where the bad consequences and up and which regions get more extreme weather.
Anyone want to take a guess as to which countries won’t end up with the consequences?
I mean this is just saying the US is open to researching the possibility. They aren’t even committing to researching it.
“However, the report also clarifies that no decision has been made to “establish a comprehensive research programme focused on solar radiation modification.””
It’s a very prudent decision to study it. We can determine and quantify the risks this way.
taxing the rich properly would (blasphem alert) help redistribute wealth among workers and decrease inflation, and also make the world colder, since we dont have to work as much. but i guess we would be stripped from our daily dose of uv light soon. yea who needs vitamin b3 anyway ?
Re-engineering our space program towards space manufacturing, mineral extraction, and building permanent residences in space sufficient enough to support the people that would be needed to build and maintain space-based infrastructure like a reflector would be an undertaking I’m not sure humanity currently has the drive for.
Science and futurism YouTuber Isaac Arthur is going to love this. Giant aluminum reflectors are a huge part of future space infrastructure and he is happy to point this out quite often.
I believe they’re trying to chemically blocking the sun (using sulfur dioxide) rather than physically blocking it.
It is obvious we’re not gonna fix this by changing our habits, so I’m all for a technological solution. It will have unforeseen consequences and we will deal with those, too. Humankind is nothing but adaptable.
Isn’t this part of the plot of Snowpiercer? At least the movie.
I immediately thought the same thing. We need Wilford to hurry up with his train.
You meam Charlie?
