• fastandcurious@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Israel is the one that has been constantly conquering land from Palestine (even after the UN’s plan of partition), not the other way around, and what they are doing are war crimes which means its a crime even during a war, how dumb do you have to be not to understand that, hamas is terrible but so is Netanyahu

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      Israel agreed to the UN partition and the arabs went to war against them to destroy them. In 1967 they went to war again to destroy Israel. There is no such thing as land which is inherently Muslim, Muslims have countries from Morocco to Pakistan and their fascist ideology says that there can only be Muslim nations. They have rejected Israel and freedom for Jews 100%, Israel has the right to defend itself from fascists. The Nazis had the same ideology and the arabs fought with the Nazis in WW2.

      What hamas did is war crimes, targeting civilians. What Israel does, targeting terrorists and having collateral damage because they are hiding behind civilians is not war crimes. In Russia Ukraine war civilians die but their are not war crimes, they do not target civilians. In WW2 many civilians died but it is collateral damage. It is different from the terrorist war crimes of Hamas there is no equivocation. This propaganda is part of how the terrorists fight, they lie they are relentless, so you expect people who do these things to not lie?

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        8 months ago

        What? Before the british mandate ended the haganah laid out plan dalet which clearly stated for the expulsion of Palestinians, blowing up populous cities and planting mines, it was after that that the neighboring Arab states went to war with israel, israel captured at-least 30% more land than what was proposed by the UN, also you are trying to justify killing an infinitely more amount of civilians and committing more crimes in a response to a crime.

        That’s like someone killed a loved one of your’s so you start murdering ppl on the street.

        Also israel probably has the most advanced intelligence system in the world but they apparently can’t use it to find the hamas members and need to bomb an entire country.

        I suggest you complete your middle school (and possibly attend your therapy) before commenting on complex situations like these.

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          Anyone can look up the 1948 partition which Israel accepted and the arabs rejected. Anyone can lookup ‘plan dalet’ and see that it’s developed in the midst of a war.

          For hundreds of years there were laws against Jews in Palestine as well as every Muslim country.

          Jews have been explicit that they are willing to live in peace with Muslims, and Muslims have been explicit that they are racist who will not tolerate any non Muslim presence.

          Hamas is the one who came in and murdered random people because they don’t submit to Islamic fascism as they do in my parts of the world. Israel is targeting Hamas who are hiding behind civilians. These are clear facts which anyone can see. The reason pals fight is rooted in their Islamic fascism that they don’t get 100% of what they want which is an Islamic caliphate throughout the world. This is the message that is explicit in the quaran and how they are innoculated from childhood

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            I suppose you have completely read the quran and have understood every single verse perfectly, plan dalet was developed in the middle of a war which the British started not the Palestinians or muslims

            I frankly have no idea what you are trying to say here

            I don’t understand why are you trying to force religion into this, the people living in Palestine aren’t muslims, the people living in israel aren’t jewish, the people living in US aren’t Christians, it sure is a part of their identity, but first and foremost, they are humans, with feelings and loved ones just like you, humans who have been derived of basic needs such as food and shelter in case of Palestinians.

            The average Palestinian or any religious person for that matter doesn’t want to annihilate every other religion in the world, they just want to feed themselves and their loved ones, have a sense of safety and security, and die peacefully.

            The thing is that the voices of these people aren’t heard, when was the last time there was an election in Palestine? Or were they consulted during the partition plan? When was the last time they were consulted before the making of a major decision, and in a similar way, how many Israeli voices that want the war to end are being heard, none…

            However, you seem to dehumanize these (Palestinian) people on the basis of religion, you are no better than the ‘Islamist fascists’ you speak of.

            Put yourself on these peoples shoes, and think about how they feel about their voices being constantly surpressed

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              Wow you should be embarrassed , ‘the people living in Palestine aren’t muslim’ 😂😂😂, you don’t think Hamas is Muslim, holy crap.

              A religion follows it’s interpretation but the quaran is the poetry of a medevil warlord who advocated Islamic fascism and genocide, you can see many Muslim groups throughout the middle east (Iran, ISIS, Hamas) who take it seriously. It is very serious for the women executed in Iran for not wearing their scarves, for the gays executed in Palestine.

              In Israel the Muslims live freely, Israel wants a peaceful and prosperous Palestinian state. Palestinians elect hamas, Hamas cancelled elections, Hamas does not want.peace and prosperity, they want to genocide Jews, they are who Israel is fighting, Israel are trying to avoid Palestinian civilians to get Hamas who is hiding behind civilians. Many of the civilians are horrible people who support Hamas but none the less Israel is not targeting them.

              Yes pals.civilians are treated unfairly, every Islamic country is a brutal dictatorship, there is no self determination anywhere in the Arab world, if the pals succeeded in genocising Jews they would still live under a tyrannical regime

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                The thing is, i think my time would be better spent than arguing with someone who can’t seem to spell ‘medieval’ or structure their sentences or opinions properly, so i will be the one to recede, I have made my point anyway. Good Day