• Dontcare@discuss.tchncs.de
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      8 months ago

      Yes hamas has to be removed because they are terrorist, they will lead to the deaths of civilians on both sides and have caused many deaths. Civilians are given the opportunity to flea, they should leave, why would they stay ? To be propaganda martyrs?

      You are a crisis actor, you act like you have this moral principle that we have to protect the Innocents at all costs but when the pals routinely target civilians you say nothing

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          8 months ago

          Hamas targets children , the pals support it, they are the bad guys. Israel does not target civilians hamas hides behind them, they are the unobjectively the bad guys

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          8 months ago

          If this is your yardstick, Palestinians are much much more likely to support killing Israelis “just because” than the other way around. There’s really no moral high ground in this conflict

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            8 months ago

            Take a look at Palestinian deaths vs Israeli deaths. Israel has been much more successful at killing Palestinians “just because” than the other way around.

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              Israel kills more civilians than Palestinian orgs do. Palestinian orgs target civilians in a way that Israel simply doesn’t. Focusing on Israeli excesses without acknowledging how many Palestinians really, actually, want to exterminate all jews is just as disingenuous as focusing on Israeli security concerns without acknowledging the deprivations they impose on Palestinians.

              In danger of repeating myself, no moral high ground to be found.

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                8 months ago

                no moral high ground to be found.

                I agree, both are being terrible. The issue is nobody is saying Hamas attacking civilians are justified, so there’s no reason for me to include in every post “Hamas bad”.

                There are people saying Israel killing civilians is justified, so there is reason to point out specifically “israel bad”.

                It is possible to criticize one group without naming every other group on existence that is also terrible.

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                  8 months ago

                  The issue is nobody is saying Hamas attacking civilians are justified

                  They do, but they word it like this:

                  We hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence

                  And this:

                  Hamas is not a terror organization, it is an organization of liberation, of mujahedeen, who fight to protect their land and citizens.