Google claims that privacy is a priority, and perhaps it is, but we can’t deny there’s an essential conflict of interest between protecting your privacy and Google being an advertising company.

Recent events in this space include Google’s new Ad Topics framework, which purports to offer users more control. I feel it’s an improvement over cookies, but having my device participate in tracking me is backwards. After all, my device should be protecting my privacy first, not implementing features to track my behavior.

Data “nutrition labels” in the Play Store are a step forward by encouraging proactively a discussion about how user data is processed and used. On the other hand, recent attempts at DRM for the web in Chrome remind us that the main vendor behind Android doesn’t always have user interests at heart.

Is Android doing enough to keep your data safe? If not, what steps could reasonably improve the situation?

In sharing your opinion, please take care to distinguish between Google the company and Android the product. While related, given Google may have privacy issues in one line of business doesn’t necessarily define privacy practices on the Android platform. Also, another interesting angle includes what’s best for you versus what’s best for users as a whole. For example, a privacy feature, to be successful, needs to be reasonably understandable by most users and offer a net benefit without complicating the platform for casual users.

  • ReversalHatchery@beehaw.orgEnglish
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    8 months ago

    Can’t speak for compass & accelerometer permissions but how do you expect auto-rotation to work in apps?

    Part of auto-rotation has always been happening in the system.
    It’s not the apps detecting when they need to rotate, but the system tells them about it.
    Apps don’t need access to precise sensor data.

    Do you really expect people to push a consent toggle every time they visit pornhub.com. Be serious.

    1. Where did I say this?
    2. Did you hear about remembering permissions?

    I think you are overthinking this.

    I am really not. You may have said that 40 years ago and it would be fine, but nowadays it’s not just scientists running professional software on their computers that’s virtually granted to not do anything wrong, we all run apps that we don’t completely trust, because it’s not possible.
    If that wouldn’t be the case, we wouldn’t have permission toggles for microphone and network access.

    The concern here should be can Google or any other party exfiltrate this offline data and if so, what can you do to stop it?

    Oh, they can, and you will see it if you read my previous comment in whole.

    Popping up a Wireshark equivalent and monitoring the chatter on your device is a good place to start. Otherwise you would be making cases for where there is no argument to be made.

    If it doesn’t happen today, that does not mean it won’t ever.
    Also, apps can detect if a VPN is active (which is required for capturing packets in a way that allows you to see the source app) and change their behavior. And then I doubt that you can capture broadcast messages that way, because why would that be routed through a VPN? (even when not a real one)

    • hottari@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      8 months ago

      You have a lot of theory but unfortunately proof is needed for the paranoid claims you insist on making.

      Am wary of the potential of developers abusing Android permissions in their apps and doing unwanted things on our devices. As a privacy enthusiast I try to limit the number of app installs to essential need only.

      But Google Play store have a review process for vetting apps and Android in general has a strong sandbox for apps.

      • ReversalHatchery@beehaw.orgEnglish
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        8 months ago

        About tracking with smart devices and inaudible sounds: https://www.cityfreqs.com.au/pilfer.php
        About tracking the accelerometer, gyroscope data: https://www.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight/comments/13u78hn/researchers_found_that_inconspicuous_smartphone/ (another discussion on the same source)
        About cooperated tracking between your devices on your home network: I think you can see it yourself if you have worked with a computer network, as really it’s just about untrusted computers being able to communicate.

        Am wary of the potential of developers abusing Android permissions in their apps and doing unwanted things on our devices.

        They don’t need to abuse permissions, because, as I said, a lot of things are unfortunately not gated by permissions.

        • hottari@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          8 months ago

          You’re gonna need better sources if you are going to convince anyone that phones are listening to you with mic permission disabled.

          That said, I think you know what to do if you are getting your news from the RMS sub. None of these privacy violations, if they exist, would happen to you if you used a Linux phone.

          • ReversalHatchery@beehaw.orgEnglish
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            8 months ago

            You’re gonna need better sources if you are going to convince anyone that phones are listening to you with mic permission disabled.

            I don’t remember saying that. Can you point to where have I said that?

            I have mentioned microphone tracking because even when put behind a permission, it is still a concern for apps for which you have allowed microphone access for some reason, often because you didn’t really have a choice.

            There are many other problems other than that, though, that I have mentioned but you didn’t address.

            That said, I think you know what to do if you are getting your news from the RMS sub. None of these privacy violations, if they exist, would happen to you if you used a Linux phone.

            Yeah probably, but this is an Android community, not a Linux one, and OP has had a question on the topic

          • ReversalHatchery@beehaw.orgEnglish
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            8 months ago

            By the way, it seems there are companies who claim to do this: https://lemm.ee/post/14867323

            Honestly, I’m not shocked at all. Smart TVs don’t usually gate microphone access behind a permission, and even on smartphones, it’s very plausible to me that most people just allow any and all permission popup mindlessly.

            Yes, I’m not one of those. But my environment is filled with people who don’t care about tech and privacy at all, and with their behavior they compromise my privacy too.