• –Phase–@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    We referring to teachers as “it” now?

    Damn. Underpaid and dehumanized all at once. That’s gotta be rough.

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      Pfft, rest of the world should start following Finns on this and call everyone and everything ‘it’! Except pets for some reason.

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        I know a guy who calls people “se” and things “hän”

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      Trap em with a bunch of nazis, minorities disproportionately penalised for minor infringements, throw in some beatings and torture and you pretty much have the American prison system!

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      As a non-native speaker, referring to a single teacher as “they” is not very intuitive (although correct)…

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        I very much agree. Learning English as a foreign language, it feels very wrong to use plural for a single person. I’m still not quite used to it! Although, had I been taught that early on, I doubt it would feel any weirder than using “you are” for a single person.

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          Funny, English is also my second language but in my first language ‘she’ and plural ‘they’ are the same word, only distinguished by the verb, so it never seemed that weird to me.

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          I find it most inconvenient when “they” is used to refer to one person and a group in the same paragraph.

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            Is that any different than when you have two people of the same gender and suddenly can’t use plain old gendered pronouns to unambiguously refer to the two people?

            Eg, if Susan took Anna’s apple, it’d be confusing to say “she took her apple”.

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              Yeah pronouns can get really messy. I try to avoid them as much as I can in technical writing so I can follow my own sentences lol.

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          And that’s actually a pretty recent development. Less than a decade ago, I remember getting marked down in English class for using “they” as a genderless singular pronoun, as my elderly teacher grew up only ever using “they” to refer to a group.

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            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

            This use of singular they had emerged by the 14th century, about a century after the plural they.[4][5][2] It has been commonly employed in everyday English ever since and has gained currency in official contexts. Singular they has been criticised since the mid-18th century by prescriptive commentators who consider it an error.[6] Its continued use in modern standard English has become more common and formally accepted with the move toward gender-neutral language.[7][8] Though some early-21st-century style guides described it as colloquial and less appropriate in formal writing,[9][10] by 2020, most style guides accepted the singular they as a personal pronoun.[11][12][13][14]

            Your teacher was just one of those purists and it was never something with strong consensus for being wrong.

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              That’s true, and there is evidence of “they” being used as a singular as far back as over 700 years ago, but only within the last few decades has it been formally accepted by style guides, like the APA or the Chicago Manual.

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    “it’s” own money? I’m assuming you meant “its” but even then your teacher is an object?

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    Anyone who thinks this has never hosted a birthday party for a bunch of grade schoolers. I get enough pizza so they can have a couple of full pizza slices each, they take a few bites, then immediately go back to goofing around with their friends.

    Then I have leftover pizza for a long time. XD

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      I think the joke is that a lot of us were little shits that didn’t appreciate some of the only adults that cared to see us succeed.

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    I learned recently that teachers in my area actually make decent money. Not like… Tech industry money, but for my area they make $30/h on the low end, $43/h median, and $52.60/h on the high end.

    That’s a decent living that most people don’t experience. I’m sure some places are awful for teachers though.

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      Based on the $ ima assume you’re American and probably live in a high cost of living area, they get paid that much to compensate for high prices. They’re probably as poor as the rest of us.

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            Poor in my mind is not having basic necessities. At $30/h here you could definitely like… own a house, pay all your bills, buy groceries, pay for a vehicle, and still have like… $500+ left in your budget on a single income.

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              In my experience average pay is just above the peverty line in a given area. Most teachers make shit, especially for what they’re doing. And if the starting pay in your area is $30 the CoL is probably very high.

              Like yeah, they’re not homeless, but most people are barely getting by on the average wage in the area.

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      Future teacher here, my salary starts at 52$ CAD/hour, which is great! But I’m only paid for the time I’m in class, which is roughly 3h45 per day…

      This pay doesn’t include the time to prepare the class, the time to correct, the time to attend mandatory meetings on the lunch break. Finally, we don’t have our vacation payed, so they split our pay to give us a salary during the summer (okay this last point is fair, but it illustrates that hourly salary in education is not representative).