• rob299@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    YouTube seems more interested these days in telling you what to watch, then letting its user express any opinion, wouldn’t be surprised if comments were hidden next from everybody.

    The dislikes were hidden specifically to protect the images of brands. Think of things like game trailers or movie trailers that would get overloaded with dislikes if people perceived them as bad. I don’t think Disney really pays attention to their dislikes. They and other companies prefer them to be hidden however, so that when Nintnedo pulls another super Mario Wonder for $70 that the haters feel alone about it.

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      YouTube is so fucking weird. If they would’ve focused on a good platform 5 or 10 years ago, they would be the netflix, hbo and amaxon combined. Vut somehow they are more concerned to tell people what they can do and don’t. For some reason all of YouTube has to be suited for 5 year olds. Their algorithm keep telling me to watch mr.beast or some assholes who eat food for 5 people like a bunch of animals.

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        I have a theory, that some of the things they do is blackmailing to prevent companies from pushing for the copyright directive that the eu got, in the u.s is it far fetched?

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        Maybe I’m just on YouTube too much but my algo knows better than to recommend me that stuff.

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          Every so often it tries to suggest me a mukbung video. It still hasn’t got the point that I keep clicking don’t show me this content.

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      8 months ago

      I distinctly remember Activision running to hide the dislike from some World of Warcraft videos, what with how shit Shadowlands got, especially towards the end. I don’t remember the exact video, but it had something like a 84% dislike

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        The World of Warcraft videos and not the Call of Duty ones? Which makes me wonder, might Activision have the most videos with the most dislikes on YouTube?

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      1. Mario brothers wonder is not $70, it’s $60, the standard price for such a game, since, what, 1990?
      2. you seem to be implying the game is universally considered bad. I find it to be very fun and haven’t heard the opinion that it’s bad.
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        If you specifically look for bad reviews, because you have to do that on youtube now adays… because they like protcting corperations, you’l find that it’s essentially the same as new super mario bros wii, and U, but with a different coat of paint. plus it’s a 2d game for $60, but they arent going to out right tell you that.

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          I have played it several hours and this is not accurate. despite it being a reasonable expectation that Mario games don’t change much, it’s changed from those previous games.

          It is a Nintendo game for $60 which is standard.

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            They might had added some new features, but the game hasn’t really evolved. While $60 may be standard, what are we paying 60 dollars for with this new game? oh they finally decided to put some decent colors in a mainstream 2d Mario game since the SNES Super Mario World and they added powerups. But it’s a 2-D game anything could probably run Mario Wonder, the Wii U could probably run that game. The Wii (although not in HD) could probally even. A better example for my original statement I suppose would be the recent released cod game. Since people are more vocal about that game being a downgrade.

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    8 months ago

    In theory, it can also be used by the recommendation algorithm to show you less such videos. Who knows if it’s actually used like that though.

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      I think it’s even the other way around. If you dislike, you interacted with the video, be it because it made you furious or what ever. The algorithm cares about engagement, not about liking. At least that’s what I have heard

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        Rather than hitting dislike, I will hit “do not recommend this video” or “do not recommend this channel”.

        After a couple of months of doing that, and of giving thumbs up to videos I do like, YouTube finally permanently got the hint about my tastes and stopped recommending a lot of user-engagement-bait to me.

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      They’re more than good enough though. The like-to-dislike ratio it shows always lines up with what you’d expect the video to have.

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      I would say that it is just like random sample from statistics. You won’t really get accurate count, but you will get a ratio beetween likes and dislikes.

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      But iirc return YouTube dislike extrapolates only for the videos where it doesn’t have enough data. So for new videos it can record the amount of dislikes through the extension, which makes it far more accurate (although the sample size is still a little bit smaller than it was on YouTube).

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      It’s not a full replacement. Just a snapshot from when the count info was removed from public view, plus data from people with the extension.

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      No idea why the people in this comment thread get downvoted, but the extension is literally not an actual, factually correct count of youtube-wide dislikes, and the creators say so themselves.

      From their own homepage:

      “The backend is using archived data from when the youtube api was still returning the dislike count, extension users like/dislike count and extrapolation.” (https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/faq)

      It’s a mix of outdated pre-removal data, dislikes of only(!) the users of the extension, and guesswork. Dislikes of youtubers who do not use the extension are not factored in, and “extrapolation” is a fancy way to describe that part of the data is made up based on assumptions.

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        Even if it’s not completely accurate it does seem to at least somewhat work for newer videos if they’re popular enough. I’ve seen videos that aren’t liked based on comments and discussion on other platforms have a high amount of dislikes.

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      No that’s not accurate, you see an estimation not the actual dislike counter. The public dislike counter is forever gone.

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          You see dislikes from the extension, not YouTube dislikes. The only thing they have in common is the name.

          It has absolutely no idea about people like me pressing dislike when I don’t have the extension.

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      Same thing with combining the scores on Reddit and Lemmy. It’s a false picture of user feedback.

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    The creator can still feel like shit for making a bad/unpopular video when they see the number of dislikes, so it still has a point for me.

    Maybe it affects the algorithm or something. And it allows the users to at least feel like they’re expressing their feelings, without outright denying the option like Facebook used to do.

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      Algorithm favors videos that are highly upvoted or downvoted. Anything that gets emotion/reaction out of you - doesn’t matter whether positive or negative - is brought to the top.

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      imo its not about feelings, but about the image.

      having for example a massively disliked trailer,
      turns into more negative press.

      so youtube protects its big buisness customers,
      and pretends its a change to protect creators in general.

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      Can creators really see their downvotes?

      I’m a creator and I cannot see the dislikes.

      Or maybe I’ve never seen any dislikes because nobody has ever given me a thumbs down?

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    Doesnt it also refine the content that gets recommended? Not nure if there is really any utility in seeing likes or dislikes of other people (maybe your own). One mans trash…

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    There is an addon to reactivate the dislike display. I see dislikes but there are much less than before obviously