Remember, the American Nazi party had a ridiculous amount of traction. Enough to fill Madison Square Garden for Washington’s birthday. Those people didn’t just vanish after WWII. They didn’t denounce their beliefs. They just crawled into the cracks like cockroaches.
Also the Nazis took example with the pledge of allegiance as an effective tool for indoctrination of school children. In the US it also used to be done with the same gesture that is now the Nazi salute.
Furthermore eugenics and race theory were prominent as “sciences” in the US and the Nazis also took example there. If it wasnt for the alliance to the Japanese and Pearl Harbor, the US might well have been on the Nazis side of history, given that the social and ideological culture had many more similarities than disagreements.
While your comment about the Nazis getting a lot of their eugenics ideas from America in the 20’s-30’s is accurate, there’s no way in hell that we’d have just accidentally ended up in the Axis powers like that.
Were there Nazis in the US? Absolutely. Was their ideology common and/or the majority? Not at all.
We were literally allied with countries that the Nazis were attacking, and assisting them with supplies long before we ever entered the war due to Pearl Harbor. That’s before we even get into things like the Zimmerman note which indicated that the Germans in WW1 wanted to engage us as an enemy, which doesn’t bode well for their actions against those same allies 20 years later.
You’re taking the fact that eugenics existed here in the US and making up a metric fuck ton of revisionist history surrounding it.
You say all that, but remember the time Prescott Bush was part of a group of rich and powerful men that tried to overthrow FDR and install a fascist government?
The raised-arm salute isn’t inherently bad, it’s bad now because the Nazis did it. And so, America using a similar salute before the Nazis doesn’t mean America was as evil as the Nazis.
Don’t forget, however, that it was not the “right” in the US that was pro eugenics. It was the left and the Fabien socialists. Also didn’t forget, how those were the groups that were aligning themselves with the KKK.
Out of the shadows and into the light.
Not as much of a rebrand as a merger
Got em!
United Fruit Company —> Chiquita
Please have some respect; nazis are nowhere near as bad as Microsoft
As a commie linux user I fight nazi and microsoft
But not china or Russia?
Fighting China is like fighting a lost fight.
Russia is currently destroying itself,no help needed.
Before the current Ukraine war people would have said fighting Russia would be a lost fight, but we’ve learned a lot since then about what their readiness actually looks like. This makes me wonder if China is all that tough, or if they just talk a good game.
But what about your Komerades?
China is socialist and Russia is historically the anti-imperialist communist power. You wanted to spread your vile Anglo bullshit but are now unsuccessful.
Lmao, ask Hungary how “anti imperial” the USSR was
I am Hungarian, and it would have made more sense to bring up any other post-socialist country instead. One of the most popular historical leaders of Hungary is János Kádár, who was the one who requested help from the Soviet Union in 1956 after Imre Nagy announced that he would withdraw from the Warsaw Pact.
Also, at the second parliamentary election after the socialist era, MSZP (one of the successor parties of the Hungarian Socialist Workers’ Party, alongside the Hungarian Workers’ Party) campaigned on the promise of democratically restoring all the “good things” (they put it this way) from socialism, which immediately won them all the parliamentary seats that could be won by one party in 1994. Of course, the MSZP did not keep any of their campaign promises and implemented more neoliberal policies with strong austerity (the infamous Bokros package). The then-prime minister, Gyula Horn, also made explicitly anti-strike statements. As a result, there was a significant chance that the still-Marxist Hungarian Workers’ Party would enter parliament in the 1998 parliamentary election. Therefore, the parliamentary parties voted to raise the electoral threshold in common agreement, so that this could not happen.
TLDR: In Hungary, the assessment of the socialist era is not as black and white as many people think.
Yeah, Hungary (Austria-Hungary), one of the 8 Nation Alliance powers?
That was disrespectful, literally no one in Hungary thinks positively of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy and the oppression of the Habsburg Empire. It was not a coincidence that in 1918 the monarchy was overthrown by revolution and replaced with a people’s republic then with a soviet republic in 1919.
Not aligning with the United States does not socialism nor anti-imperialism make
China is not socialist mate, it’s technically a market economy with “chinese characteristics” and is run by one massive coalition. there’s private property ownership in China, there is stock exchange for example.
Its funny how you just wiped off “socialist” from the term used to describe mainland – market socialist economy with Chinese characteristics. Screaming about the miniscule existence of private property or stock exchange is a delusional and dishonest way to portray China as not being socialist. Their socialism comes from prosperity of over a billion people on their land, and prosperity of rest of the world via cheap manufactured goods that increase purchasing power of literally every person on earth that is not a rich capitalist pig.
You can scratch your neckbeard all you want, it’s very much a market economy. Whether there’s the term socialist or not
Too bad its not about being a neckbeard, its about not being delusional and not spreading delusion to cope with some ADV China tier bullshit.
What is anglo?
Agreed. Microsoft is bad to the point to where I switched to Arch Linux. They ain’t getting my data now!
Neither are you
Hehehehehe
Jokes on you, I have all my data
Jokes on you, I don’t have any data
Thanks for telling us. You are legally obligated to inform us that you use Arch btw.
Bold of you to assume that I don’t already do that. :)
Nazis > Microsoft > Spectrum Internet > Nestle
Nestle > republicans
GGOS, KissOS, Atlus are a refreshing alternative
your meds, take them
Nah I’d rather buy a gun and fight the war.
I like those. Thanks!
Oh great, we’re doing political feel-good posting on this site too? Such low hanging fruit.
There’s definitely a discussion to be had for how the very far right (people whose core political ideology is based in racial prejudice and literal palingenetic ultranationalism) latch onto the sole major conservative political party in the United States and how they, as a component voting block, are catered to, if not explicitly represented by, portions of that party, and even dog whistled to by the party as a whole. This post, though, comes across as straight liberal smugposting and is somewhere between completely useless and actively harmful.
Agree with almost everything except the useless or harmful part. It’s just a meme meant for a quick laugh, it’s not that serious.
If we want to be serious though, the Republican party has been going further and further right in the past couple of years. The meme is kind of expressing this in a way.
the Republican party has been going further and further right in the past couple of years.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say you’ve never heard of Strom Thurmond?
Also, I would argue that memes like this are more designed for reddit style, low-effort upvote farming, than anything genuinely productive. This makes Lemmy worse and oversimplifies any conversation about American politics, with all of its complex and disparate, if nominally similar, but still competing ideologies, and how they shape its material composition and practical functioning. This all a fancy way of saying that the underlying sentiment of “Republicans are all Nazis and we don’t need to understand them further than that” attempts to trivialize a complex problem and a complex set of ideological beliefs and leverages that oversimplification as banal clickbait. And it makes those that consume it dumber for having done so, potentially.
It’s no different in function from any other form of demonising the outgroup. It’s slightly less bad than some because your political views can change, but it’s still a sign of politics gone wrong.
the Republican party has been going further and further right in the past couple of years
Tell me you only recently started paying attention to politics without telling me you only recently started paying attention to politics
Well then take the first shot and start the war… Otherwise it’ll just be drama memes for LIFE.
The war is inevitable… The sooner it starts the sooner it’s over. Neighbors, family, cops, thugs, there’s no knowing who the enemy is. It’s everyone vs everyone…
I see no point in furthing my personal life and goals until something real is done.
How is Microsoft and Target rebrands when it literally still says Microsoft and Target?
The brand is the corporate iconography, typography, etc. Not necessarily the name.
Targets was a minor one but still a good update! The new logo is much more eye catching, the red is what you immediately notice first, whereas the old one your attention was divided between the name text and circular logo. The new logo is also much larger and uniform in colour making it easier to remember.
I was thinking the same thing until I saw the punchline. Target and Microsoft were just fodder here.
This is seriously funny! Too bad so many commenters are apologists.
Walt Disney would be proud
Oof. 🤭
Is there any “Memes” community that doesn’t post shit like this? We non Americans don’t care about this, we just want some fun memes and not being forcefed your culture war crap.
Speaking as a non american
Internet culture for certain will be affected by the cultures of member’s nation. Here in this community we (assuming)have many people around the globe so it easy to see we have americans too. Not all memes will be understood or found hilarious by everyone but you just cant say “shit”.
It is shit because these kinds of “memes” are not made to amuse, they’re made to spread ideological views and increase polarization.
fair enough but if you ken the inside politics and have a world view enough to decide which side to support, it is funny
I don’t support any side because I’m not an American, this shit doesn’t concern me. It’s not my culture war.
I thought this is a “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts” and this is the first shit I see as a new user?
Let’s be real, it should be the American flag not just the Republican logo.
They’re not utterly fascist, you can’t do that to the last remnants of sanity left over in the states
Yeah it really depends on your area.
To be honest, a lot of Republicans are still very respectable. The republican platform is fucked up, but if you are talking to your neighbor, don’t make his party affliation equal to his personal belief. A Democrat doesn’t believe in everything in the Democrat’s platform either.
In that sense, insulting a party is not generally helpful for public discourse.
I don’t give a shit about personal beliefs, I care about outcomes. Republicans’ desired outcomes actively hurt people I care about, so I can absolutely tell them to fuck off. Even if they don’t “believe in everything,” they are indifferent enough to let horrible things happen.
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It’s quite a tall order to be kind to those who want you and those you care about dead.
Oh you don’t give a shit about personal beliefs? You the kind who thinks a king is better than a democracy? Because democracy is all about personal beliefs, and convincing your fellow citizens of what you think is right.
What an insanely stupid read of my comment
To be fair your comment was entirely baseless and inaccurate.
Then where is the Republican outrage against the fascist policies so many Republican politicians are advocating for? There are only two options: either they don’t care, or they’re secretly happy.
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.” ~~Martin Luther King, Jr
Exactly anyone today that votes Republican or calls themselves one (my boss) yet continues to vote republican just because either don’t care or wants what they want.
If you are not in the republican circle, how do you even know how they perceive the policies?
… did you read the MLK quote I included? The fact that there aren’t many Republicans loudly and repeatedly condemning the leaders of the party says exactly that. If you want to read the whole thing, I recommend you take a look at King’s full Letter from a Birmingham Jail to fully understand the point: silence means acceptance.
You look at this thread, and you ask “where’s all the voices”. You don’t find that ironic?
Silence could mean acceptance, it doesn’t mean agreement. Just like being on the left if I say “let’s keep the discussion going” all you fuckers are gonna downvote me to oblivion and accuse me of less intelligent and make anyone who have a different idea an outcast, it is the same thing for republicans. Someone who don’t go with the flow is made an outcast, so if you don’t agree, tough luck.
Yeh, if the left treat its different opinions like this, what the fuck you think a republican having a different opinion is treated like? So if you are strongly for the core policies of your affiliated party, would you raise your voice? Or if you did, you think those voices get heard and get reported?
See, now, the 1920s and 1930s taught us that reasonable debate with fascists is impossible. So where are all the Republicans in the public sphere standing up for moderation? No offense to you, but you’re a rando on the internet (and so am I). Where are the politicians standing up to the far right?
So where are all the Republicans in the public sphere standing up for moderation?
You know even from liberal media that there is a moderate republican faction, and they are indeed getting hammered exactly by people just like you but from the right.
See, now, the 1920s and 1930s taught us that reasonable debate with fascists is impossible.
Where did you learn that? A reasonable debate with any extremism is impossible, it isn’t just fascism. Point is you can’t let an ideology slip into extremism to begin with. If you refuse to debate your position, that’s already a sign of extremism, and calling your counterpart fascist doesn’t really make yourself better.
Fuck Republicans and fuck Democrats.
That’s the spirit.
Democrats are not perfect, but if someone identifies as a Republican in 2023, there is something deeply wrong with their personal beliefs.
Dehumanizing your subject is easy. Republicans do that to people on the left too. Let’s just hate each other till we destroy each other. That’s gonna get a good society going.
One side says, “Kill em all”
The other says “Line those killers against the wall”
—Father John Misty
That’s like half the USA
Your comment implies that people take insult when someone calls them out for supporting a platform that - just to take one example - decides it’s proper to prosecute victims of crime because they also think the government should have jurisdiction over woman’s body and a say in their health and wellbeing.
Is them taking umbrage to valid crisis the real issue here?
You support a platform for many different reasons. For example you really want small government, so what choice do you have? And how do you know that a republican definitely is a pro-lifer? And if he is a prolifer, how do you know he believes government should control woman? You can’t just paint them all as evil as you imagined. What you imagined is not your neighbor.
You can’t just paint them all as evil as you imagine
Perfectly illustrates my point. I didn’t paint them as evil, I just criticised them. Big difference, which you seem unable to draw.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with me saying “I get you have ideological views, but supporting a party that hurts people to win culture wars is not something I am not cool with”. Branding that as insulting or hateful is just attempting to dodging accountability by disingenuously claiming victim status.
Party allegiance aside, it’s unreasonable and hypocritical for anyone to support a platform with an agenda that will directly and adversely impacts broad swathes of society with an expectation that they will not be directly or adversely impacted by their actions and decisions (which in this case is something as innocuous as simply drawing criticism).
I didn’t paint them as evil, I just criticised them. Big difference, which you seem unable to draw.
Rebranding Nazism as Republicans is not painting them as evil?
I mean I understand as the discussion goes people often confuse themselves with what we are talking about, but the OP of the post is branding republicans as nazis, and nazis are people we don’t need to give any consideration to, these are people we should eliminate from the surface of the earth.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with me saying “I get you have ideological views, but supporting a party that hurts people to win culture wars is not something I am not cool with”.
Hey you want to get things done you have to start somewhere. If you think your republican friends are better off getting a new party started, I guess you can start the conversation there.
But have a conversation, don’t just call them nazis.
The republican platform is fucked up, but if you are talking to your neighbor, don’t make his party affliation equal to his personal belief.
…is the part of your argument I am responding to. Saying “don’t five people a hard time for supporting fucked up things” is pretty fucked up.
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Amen brother. Everyone should be prepared to be face criticism, because no one is altruistic and never will be if they can’t bear to be challenged about their beliefs.
So something being messed up doesn’t mean you can’t support it. Let’s not even talk about the party, you might believe this country is fucked up. Every country have people who believe their own country has a lot of problems. It doesn’t mean you don’t support it. You support it because, say, you rely on it to achieve your own ideal, or perhaps you just love what it used to be and you want it to be more successful, or whatever.
The platform isn’t a singular thing. I can totally see someone who’s in the party to support small government and having to endure the mess that is abortion and extreme gun rights.
you might believe this country is fucked up. Every country have people who believe their own country has a lot of problems. It doesn’t mean you don’t support it.
Agree! Supporting your country =/= being complicit in all the bad shit done by or in the name of your country. That’s why activism exists, that’s why people can and will protest.
So how come this same logic doesn’t apply if the protests and activism is being directed at your republican neighbour?
This belief depends entirely on the state. Other red states don’t give a shit. Kansas and Florida for example haven’t restricted it at all.
Not familiar with those states but after a quick search:
Florida has an an abortion plan that permits prosecution of a women as a third degree felony in some circumstances.
Kansas prohibits abortions after 22 weeks and “a woman who seeks an abortion will be given state-mandated propaganda designed to change her mind. She will then have to look at an ultrasound image, wait 24 hours and pay for the procedure out of her own pocket.”
“Not as bad” isn’t really a W.
Every country limits abortion to some extent. The UK limits it at 24 unless medically necessary. Denmark is at 12 weeks.
The US was unique in that you weren’t permitted to limit it at all due to the supreme court decision.
Some limitations are fine, imo.
During the first trimester, when it was believed that the procedure was safer than childbirth, the Court ruled that a state government could place no restrictions on women’s ability to choose to abort pregnancies other than imposing minimal medical safeguards, such as requiring abortions to be performed by licensed physicians.[7] From the second trimester on, the Court ruled that evidence of increasing risks to the mother’s health gave states a compelling interest that allowed them to enact medical regulations on abortion procedures so long as they were reasonable and “narrowly tailored” to protecting mothers’ health.[7] From the beginning of the third trimester on—the point at which a fetus became viable under the medical technology available in the early 1970s—the Court ruled that a state’s interest in protecting prenatal life became so compelling that it could legally prohibit all abortions except where necessary to protect the mother’s life or health
In the argument you call out, wasn’t the republican side pushing the decision of abortion legality to state level, putting it more in the hands of the people?
Edit: should clarify, I’m unaffiliated, and just looking for answers.
It used to be up to the individual. The Republicans took it out of the hands of the people.
Yeah they pushed it for state level and when they realized most people even in Republican states didn’t support the ban they went straight to trying to push it federally.
It’s all a grift for the sake of control and power. Acting like it’s anything less when the mask has been removed makes you complicit which is why I say fuck all republicans.
Is the Republicans platform not anti-abortion?
It is, and I don’t know how anyone could disagree with you on that.
We bash the Confederacy for using “states rights” to try and justify slavery. We should bash Republicans for using the same tactics.
Ok I hate that you are beeing down voted. The downvote button is not the “I disagree” button, but more like a “this does not help the discussion” button. And your point was fair and your opinion. If you agree or not does not matter. That’s the point of a discussion for fucks sake.
Pls don’t get to that reddit point of downvoting. The downvote behavior was so nice here the first few weeks, after I joined, but got so much worse after the last very big reddit migration wave.
It’s sad isn’t it, how predictable people are.
I agree the original commenter doesn’t deserve to be downvoted. If you disagree then leave a comment. Mass downvoting will build an echo chamber a la reddit
Here’s a little snippet from the documentation of lemmy.ml and lemmy.world. I understand it as meaning that the downvote is actually there to express a negative opinion about something you don’t like.
Lemmy uses a voting system to sort post listings. On the left side of each post there are up and down arrows, which let you upvote or downvote it. You can upvote posts that you like so that more users will see them. Or downvote posts so that they are less likely to be seen. Each post receives a score which is the number of upvotes minus number of downvotes.
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If they’re respectable, why are they still voluntarily supporting such a fucked up platform?
You can’t have it both ways.
Best I can say, don’t make it so absolute. No one is perfect. Everyone has their share of sin. You are not an exception.
What kind of “respectable” people support a “fucked up” platform?
