I think you are conflating between Gaza and the West Bank. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. No occupation, no fences (other than a border) and no annexation of land
Due to the massive amounts of undue power the blockade gives Israel over Gazans’ lives, many organizations (including the UN) consider Gaza still under Israeli occupation.
Speaking as an Egyptian, Egypt is mostly doing it for American aid. That said, the Egyptian government (Arab leaders generally are, but Egypt even more so) is a traitor to the Arab and Muslim people, and an accomplice to Israel’s crime against humanity. Ayone involved in the blockade on Egypt’s end (and Israel’s, but doubly so for Egypt’s) out of their own will should be hanged.
You sound like a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Take your Coptic Christian harassing, LGBTQ-hating, tourist attacking butt out of here. Egypt is doing it because they don’t want Palestinians waging war inside Egypt’s sovereign territory. The Egyptian government is so brutal because the people you support want a freaking Caliphate. Egypt is for Egyptians, not just Arabs and Muslims. Go fly a kite.
I think looking solely at the American aid angle is too narrow of a view. Hamas are Muslim brotherhood, not exactly friends of the regime. Probably hate Hamas more than they hate the Israelis
by UN definition, what Israel is doing in Gaza is still an occupation, the IDF has cut every single route out, even going as far as to patrol a 1km wide strip on the border of Egypt and Gaza for years, why do you think the Gaza-Egypte supplies (like the WMD that is KFC or an old car) are all transported via kilometers long tunnels?
At which point do you believe that Hamas will disarm its arsenal of rockets firing regularly at Israel ? What would need to happen for Hamas to do that you think ?
we could start with not shooting anyone the snipers on the border can see, maybe lift the blockade, stop trying to starve them out (most Gazans don’t even reach 40 due to malnutrition and IDF “grass cutting”), maybe don’t limit them to 4 days of water a week, let them rebuild and operate their own power plant again, stopping IDF supported Pogroms in the west bank (yes the very same the occupied the IDF as Hamas attacked), stopping the illegal settlements, actually allow for a 2-state solution where Israel doesn’t control all the water etc…
The list is long, it won’t happen overnight, but such is the bed that the Israeli government has made.
But don’t worry, they are going with the genocide route, because the Zionists in Israel are mainly not the survivors of the holocaust, but fervent nationalists so far removed from the horrors of the Nazi regime, that they openly mock holocaust survivors, and completely disregard those who got shipped off to gulags by the Russians and/or couldn’t move to Israel before 1953 (because any of them that came after 1953 aren’t real Jews to begin with)
A lot of what you said is just factually incorrect. Putting the west bank aside and focusing on Gaza, there was no humanitarian crisis before October 7 and there are no settlements in Gaza. The “snipers at the border” were not so effective on the day of October 7th when Hamas broke into Israel and massacred women and children. Hamas did not go into settlements in the west bank. It went into regular villages and cities and did what it did.
And that last part about the mocking of Holocaust survivors, not sure where you get that from
As for Hamas not being in settlements in the west bank, you know how geography works? tho I guess we ignore the Pogroms that happen there, Ironically with the weapons that were pulled from the Gaza border security forces, that couldn’t have anything to do with anything, entirely separate incident of Israeli killing Palestinians, in a 70+year long thing that involves the ethnic tensions between the Palestinians and Israelis.
I like how you quote critical articles from Israeli media, that is a testimony that freedom of speech is very much a real thing there.
The first article from Haaretz which is very known as anti settlements leftist newspaper. All it says is that instead of giving weapons for the population in the villages and kibbutz and cities around Gaza to defend themselves in case of intrusion, it was given for settlements in the west bank and when the shit hit the fan they were completely unprepared.
The second article is also an internal criticism of the progroms that went in Huwara. I am happy that criticism of Israel is still possible
The last one about Itzik Zarka, who should really not get a headline as he’s the lowest form of scum, yeah these people exist but are very much on the fringe of society and do not deserve any attention. Unfortunately Bibi likes to use these people when convenient for him
your entire argument here is that, it’s not so bad because a newspaper reports on it?
as if modern propaganda campaigns don’t work mainly by information flooding instead of censorship (this is true even in China)
also that “lowest form of scum” was voted in, and is to this day part of the government, and while he was the only one who got called out (because he was the first to say it openly) the rest of them are all still there, in positions of power, why? because those in power in Israel are not the victims of WW2, but fans of theocrat-ethno-state who didn’t feel the pain of genocide
the WHO can’t collect data in Gaza, nor does is report on Gaza, but only the “Palestinian occupied territories” meaning you are getting the life expectancy of the more wealthy parts of the west bank
Bruh, you are really going to stand behind the assertion that most folks in Gaza don’t live past 40? You are just rediculously, stupidly wrong. There are NUMEROUS well-regarded sources of information that say otherwise. I only went with WHO because it was the first of MANY MANY NGOs that establish you are incorrect. “In 2022, the life expectancy in the occupied Palestinian territory was 75.4 years for females and 73.2 for males, and was slightly higher in the West Bank (75.7 years for females; 73.5 years for males) than in the Gaza Strip (75.0 years for females; 72.5 years for males).” Page 2. WHO - the very source you provided, in fact, coincidentally
I think you are conflating between Gaza and the West Bank. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. No occupation, no fences (other than a border) and no annexation of land
Due to the massive amounts of undue power the blockade gives Israel over Gazans’ lives, many organizations (including the UN) consider Gaza still under Israeli occupation.
Gazans used to cross to Israel on a daily basis for work (since October 7th, I don’t see that happening anymore)
What about Egypt ? What is their role in this “open air prison” ?
I mean, some did. With special visas and stuff. That still means they’re occupied.
Speaking as an Egyptian, Egypt is mostly doing it for American aid. That said, the Egyptian government (Arab leaders generally are, but Egypt even more so) is a traitor to the Arab and Muslim people, and an accomplice to Israel’s crime against humanity. Ayone involved in the blockade on Egypt’s end (and Israel’s, but doubly so for Egypt’s) out of their own will should be hanged.
You sound like a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Take your Coptic Christian harassing, LGBTQ-hating, tourist attacking butt out of here. Egypt is doing it because they don’t want Palestinians waging war inside Egypt’s sovereign territory. The Egyptian government is so brutal because the people you support want a freaking Caliphate. Egypt is for Egyptians, not just Arabs and Muslims. Go fly a kite.
I think I know who Egypt is for more than you. And no, I’m not a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, thanks for asking.
I think looking solely at the American aid angle is too narrow of a view. Hamas are Muslim brotherhood, not exactly friends of the regime. Probably hate Hamas more than they hate the Israelis
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by UN definition, what Israel is doing in Gaza is still an occupation, the IDF has cut every single route out, even going as far as to patrol a 1km wide strip on the border of Egypt and Gaza for years, why do you think the Gaza-Egypte supplies (like the WMD that is KFC or an old car) are all transported via kilometers long tunnels?
At which point do you believe that Hamas will disarm its arsenal of rockets firing regularly at Israel ? What would need to happen for Hamas to do that you think ?
we could start with not shooting anyone the snipers on the border can see, maybe lift the blockade, stop trying to starve them out (most Gazans don’t even reach 40 due to malnutrition and IDF “grass cutting”), maybe don’t limit them to 4 days of water a week, let them rebuild and operate their own power plant again, stopping IDF supported Pogroms in the west bank (yes the very same the occupied the IDF as Hamas attacked), stopping the illegal settlements, actually allow for a 2-state solution where Israel doesn’t control all the water etc…
The list is long, it won’t happen overnight, but such is the bed that the Israeli government has made.
But don’t worry, they are going with the genocide route, because the Zionists in Israel are mainly not the survivors of the holocaust, but fervent nationalists so far removed from the horrors of the Nazi regime, that they openly mock holocaust survivors, and completely disregard those who got shipped off to gulags by the Russians and/or couldn’t move to Israel before 1953 (because any of them that came after 1953 aren’t real Jews to begin with)
A lot of what you said is just factually incorrect. Putting the west bank aside and focusing on Gaza, there was no humanitarian crisis before October 7 and there are no settlements in Gaza. The “snipers at the border” were not so effective on the day of October 7th when Hamas broke into Israel and massacred women and children. Hamas did not go into settlements in the west bank. It went into regular villages and cities and did what it did.
And that last part about the mocking of Holocaust survivors, not sure where you get that from
you are the definition of if you don’t see it, it doesn’t exist.
“there was no humanitarian crisis in Ba Sing Ee”
Snipers were needed for Pogroms in Westbank (that you seem hellbent on ignoring because it’s inconvenient)
As for Hamas not being in settlements in the west bank, you know how geography works? tho I guess we ignore the Pogroms that happen there, Ironically with the weapons that were pulled from the Gaza border security forces, that couldn’t have anything to do with anything, entirely separate incident of Israeli killing Palestinians, in a 70+year long thing that involves the ethnic tensions between the Palestinians and Israelis.
and the Holocaust mocking? ya, that’s the current Israeli government, they hate the holocaust survivors and try to screw them over as much as they can
I like how you quote critical articles from Israeli media, that is a testimony that freedom of speech is very much a real thing there.
The first article from Haaretz which is very known as anti settlements leftist newspaper. All it says is that instead of giving weapons for the population in the villages and kibbutz and cities around Gaza to defend themselves in case of intrusion, it was given for settlements in the west bank and when the shit hit the fan they were completely unprepared.
The second article is also an internal criticism of the progroms that went in Huwara. I am happy that criticism of Israel is still possible
The last one about Itzik Zarka, who should really not get a headline as he’s the lowest form of scum, yeah these people exist but are very much on the fringe of society and do not deserve any attention. Unfortunately Bibi likes to use these people when convenient for him
your entire argument here is that, it’s not so bad because a newspaper reports on it?
as if modern propaganda campaigns don’t work mainly by information flooding instead of censorship (this is true even in China)
also that “lowest form of scum” was voted in, and is to this day part of the government, and while he was the only one who got called out (because he was the first to say it openly) the rest of them are all still there, in positions of power, why? because those in power in Israel are not the victims of WW2, but fans of theocrat-ethno-state who didn’t feel the pain of genocide
The life expectancy in Gaza is over 70 years, according to WHO data. Go spread misinformation elsewhere.
the WHO can’t collect data in Gaza, nor does is report on Gaza, but only the “Palestinian occupied territories” meaning you are getting the life expectancy of the more wealthy parts of the west bank
but no, please don’t just quote some figures you see anywhere read the document and its conclusions about the region even before this latest conflict phase started
Bruh, you are really going to stand behind the assertion that most folks in Gaza don’t live past 40? You are just rediculously, stupidly wrong. There are NUMEROUS well-regarded sources of information that say otherwise. I only went with WHO because it was the first of MANY MANY NGOs that establish you are incorrect. “In 2022, the life expectancy in the occupied Palestinian territory was 75.4 years for females and 73.2 for males, and was slightly higher in the West Bank (75.7 years for females; 73.5 years for males) than in the Gaza Strip (75.0 years for females; 72.5 years for males).” Page 2. WHO - the very source you provided, in fact, coincidentally