• Pipoca@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    The 1931 census, carried out by the British, found a total population of a bit over a million people. Looking at other estimates doesn’t have it increasing that much between 1931 and 1947.

    Israel’s population is currently about 9.7 million, which doesn’t count the ~5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. So about 15x the population as in 1931.

    In Israel, there’s currently around 7 million Jews and 2 million Arabs. About 80% of Arab- Israelis are Sunni Muslim, 9% are Christian and 9% are Druze.

    So, uh, it looks like the Muslim population of the land that is current Israel has more than doubled since 1947?

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      7 months ago

      There were other groups that made the argument that that wasn’t genocide because the population of the target group increased.

      You really want to make the same exact arguments holocaust deniers make?

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        7 months ago

        I mean, to make that argument about the holocaust you’d need to lie about the numbers.

        There were 17 million Jews worldwide in 1939, but only 11 million in 1945. In Europe, the population went from 9 million Jews just before the holocaust to only 3 million Jews continent-wide after it - even counting those in allied and neutral countries.

        Poland, before the holocaust, had over three million Jews; 90% of them were murdered by the Nazis. Those people didn’t just evaporate.

        Meanwhile - did I lie about the numbers? Keep in mind, 2 million is the current number of Israeli citizens of Palestinian heritage.

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          7 months ago

          They’re Holocaust deniers. No one said they were smart.

          The point is, even if they were right with the numbers, it wouldn’t matter because the logic of the argument is wrong. Both ethically, and factually.

          High birthrates are the natural human reaction to trauma such as war and generational thinning. Hint: remember, the population of Palestine under 18 was 52%

          Just because you did a shitty job, or weren’t strong willed enough to follow through to completion, or did it slowly, doesn’t mean you didn’t try.

          P.s. that word thinning? I didn’t pock that randomly. That’s what Israels political leaders call what they do.

          ‘Thinning the population’, and ‘mowing the grass’.

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      7 months ago

      I said look at the map, not the number, for a reason. These people (generally) aren’t getting murdered. They’re getting displaced.

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        7 months ago

        What exactly is the map going to tell you?

        There’s almost two million Palestinian citizens of Israel. In 1952, Israel gave citizenship to the ~160k Palestinians living in Israeli territory who hadn’t fled during the 1948 war; they lived under martial law until 1966.

        No one is displacing Palestinians in Israel; Israeli settlers are displacing Palestinians in Palestine.

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          What exactly is the map going to tell you?

          The displacement of Palestinians in and after the Nakba. The 160k Palestinians living in Israel in 1949 weren’t the ones who hadn’t fled, they were the ones who were allowed to stay. Most others ere either physically expelled from their homes or left fleeing IDF massacres. Look up Benny Morris’s 4-stage analysis.