Politics is downstream from culture, as Andrew Breitbart once said.
Seems like no matter what the movie was like, it was never going to be for conservative men. Seems like a waste to dwell on it.
I think the fact that a lot of conservative men feel the need to be a part of or have an opinion on everything is not unrelated.
Of course it’s related. It’s a tautology. Conservatives wouldn’t be conservative if they didn’t fear everything and hate everyone. It’s all they have.
Huh. You feel that way about orthodox Jews and Chinese Confucians, huh?
I probably wouldn’t say something like that about those conservative groups, but I guess I should really just be more open minded about such things.
What you’re trying to imply is that criticism of a Jewish culture is dangerous because others will claim it is inherently anti-Semitic. Those people are wrong and to be ignored: a deeply held religious and or cultural belief is not immune to criticism, and when it causes and encourages harm it deserves criticism.
To be open minded within this context is to be welcome to learning of how different attitudes and approaches to life can make things better beyond your personal upbringing. It means take the good whether or not it’s borne of your soil. It does not mean wide-eyed cultural relativism, regardless of what you think.
Orthodox Jews and confucian Chinese are both deeply conservative because those ideologies are deeply conservative. I chose them because most people wouldn’t say such a hateful thing about those two groups since they’re not what you typically imagine when someone says “conservative”.
The juxtaposition of attaching the original writers hateful generalization with communities with a history of being oppressed and the statement that I will try to be more open minded is supposed to be ironic, like “I’ll be more open minded in the future and remember that Orthodox Jews fear everything and hate everything”
Then you must not have been to New York, because that’s definitely known as a conservative, insular group.
A history of oppression does not negate one’s own. Or is a Jewish woman whose movements are controlled and constrained by the men in her community who say a pray of thanks that they were not born women not to be considered because her great aunts died in pogroms?
History is a guide. It is not a cosmic score.
So you do agree with the statement "Orthodox Jews fear everything and hate everything” then, and you stand by that.
That’s fine.
Have you ever read Confucius? He’s the very definition of blinkered conservatism. The guy thought the first emperors were morally pure.
Absolutely, extremely conservative, and it predates Christianity by hundreds of years. But are we going to say they fear and hate everything? I have a sneaking suspicion that the statement was only intended to be referring to White American religious conservatives. The world is a big big place. Broad generalizations apply broadly and can have connotations that aren’t intended.
All religions are partly based on fear. Doesn’t matter if it’s orthodox Jews, orthodox Christians or orthodox Muslims or any other religion.
Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with being fearful. It might even be a valid approach to life in many ways.
However it does become a problem when it turns political. That’s the moment when fear turns to hate.
This topic is about conservative politics. And my comment is on conservative politics. Not American Republicans, but conservative politics in general. The problem of hateful conservative politics is present everywhere in Europe and probably everywhere world wide regardless of religion. I find it quite disgusting that conservative politicians are abusing the religious fears to fuel their own hate.
All religions are also about peace, acceptance, love and respect. None of which are present in conservative politic.
You’re spot on. When you’re used to being the focus of essentially every part of society, progress toward equality feels like oppression.
Stopped reading at the uncritical use of the word “transgenderism” and the unanalyzed repetition of the falsehood that Budweiser suffered financially from the Dylan Mulvaney thing (it didn’t).
Not sure what fence the author is trying to sit on, but I’ll take my opinion fluff pieces from people who aren’t actively aiding the conservative culture war.
Anyone quoting Breitbart is signaling their allegiance to fascism.
Wait you think Budweiser didn’t suffer financially from sponsoring DM? What metric are you using to determine financial loss?
The profits made by the company.
Bud lite may have sold less, but people switched up other brands by the same company, and it ended up higher than what was lost.
What’s the term for “woke” right wingers who worry about this stuff too much?
I imagine a far right conservative would be terrified of barbie and for a good reason. Like what if their child ends up liking it? And they start learning on their own? And if they don’t vote Republican when they grow up? (I.e. me after watching movies and watching shows that strayed me away from my mom’s heavy conservative views)
Assuming tv and movies are a still hundred times more powerful than any political ad on forming younger opinions about stuff.
Concern trolls.
Are we pretending Warner Bros. are on the left because they made a movie with some buzz words?
Breitbart is some woke as shit I’ll tell ya what.
Shows who they are if they get outraged about a movie like this, but we all know they are always going to be outraged about something.
The outrage machine may be bad, but they make for great unintentional killer posters.
I know pretty much nothing about this movie, but if i saw: Barbie, they won’t be happy until we’re all gay, i would absolutely walk in and watch it
Reading comments on this and other topics, kbin is already as low iq as Reddit has become since 2016.
Going to delete my account.
We’ll miss your lurking, I guess
No please don’t. We need you
Locking for now. The discussion here has gone a bit off the rails.
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Keep in mind this works both ways. The progressive outrage machine is arguably even more active than the conservative machine. Look at the reaction to Sound of Freedom. An extremely neutral movie when you consider the politics of its content. But the main actor is a conspiracy theorist, so I guess that means the movie is a far right propaganda vehicle? By that logic most movies are far left propaganda vehicles.
A similar phenomenon has always followed Trump around. Media gets insane hits for anti-Trump content. Some people built entire careers off of reporting on his tweets. The more shocking and exaggerated they could make the content, the more money came flooding in. That’s why so much of the coverage of Trump was sensationalized and uncharitable. It’s also why moderates couldn’t help but root for him. There’s only so much the established powers that be can lie about someone before you want to support him regardless of his character flaws. It helped that his policies were generally great, focusing on anti-war and populist market adjustments.
This is why you should always take the news with a grain of salt. They’re all out to make money, and they all have agendas.
They’re all out to make money
Wish I could give more than one upvote given that the balanced view you present is obviously controversial amongst a Reddit crowd.
I think the other thing that maybe people need to remember is that there’s pretty much always someone further left than you, and there’s a good chance they consider you a conservative. There’s always another further out there idea, and in that way a lot of people who used to be lefties turned into conservatives simply by not picking up on the new thing. Then it’s guilt by association, instead of just being one tick less progressive, people end up getting tired with all of the worst brushes.
Another thing that is a reality that isn’t going to make a lot of people happy is virtually every culture has conservatives of some kind. There are conservatives in africa, and in asia – there’s a lot of conservatives in Asia in fact. There’s conservatives amongst the Jews, there’s conservatives amongst the Indians and in the Middle East. And not all of that conservatism comes from one place.
The world is a lot more complicated than people seem to think, and we’re starting to see that coming to fruition because not everyone who opposes Western liberal conservatism is a western liberal.
