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It has to be said: considering how many chaotic and relatively recent things are going on in the world that are negatively impacting both Russia’s and China’s geopolitical adversaries, this reads as mighty fuckin’ suspicious, and raises more than a few pointed questions.
Iran is really busy starting shit up. Making west put up their guard and decreasing arms export to Ukraine. Pretty sure Putin is just around the corner pulling strings.
Iran has been backstopped by the USSR and later Russia since very shortly after the Iranian Revolution concluded. There were good reasons for that (the government they rebelled against was US-friendly, and in fact essentially installed by the US during the Iranian coup back in 1953), but the fact remains that they’ve had significant geopolitical ties for a long time, both overt and covert.
Russia started their latest meat wave assault on Awdijiwka just hours after Hamas attacked Israel.
This marked the start of the russian winter offense. Putin was able to distract the media attention for a few weeks but he wasn’t able to actually take Awdijiwka.
Iran had massive public banners unrolled just hours after the Hamas attacks. They are all in it.
As long as putin is a free man, governments like North Korea and Venezuela are encouraged to use their military or at least try to blackmail their neighbours.
What is suspicious about it? What questions?
This is the Axis of Evil. Russia, Iran, China, North Korea, and their proxies, it includes Hamas and Houthis.
I would understand if you’ve been confused by all the pro Houthis comments here on Lemmee, which is absolutely insane and probably the result of an Iranian influence campaign.
Iran and North Korea funded the tunnels in Gaza.
There’s few differences between the state structure of North Korea and Saudi Arabia yet SA doesn’t show up on that list. Also this axis of evil is very funny to me because it’s just clearly from the American perspective, even though the US is to blame (UK is too) for the current shitty Iranian government because they reinstated and propped up the unpopular shah after a democratically elected revolution in the 50s, thus creating the environment the Islamic Revolution used to thrive.
IIRC houthis are Shia and their goal was to overthrow the presumably Sunni SA-backed Yemeni government. They have support from Iran due to Shia ties and are a thorn in SAs power projection in the region. The US is allied to SA and Israel and clashes with Iran so it’s not surprising they’re being used to disrupt western interests. They would clearly have no love for the US because of its weapon provisions to SA.
China and Russia, both adversarial to the US, love this and are clearly using anti-US / west sentiments to their benefit, even though they both are trash authoritarian governments. This is all, likely, a ripple effect from colonialism. China and Russia benefit from the US / the west having to fight the consequences of their colonialism, though both are neo-colonialists themselves.
TLDR: this is all not really that surprising.
this axis of evil is very funny to me because it’s just clearly from the American perspective…
I hope America isn’t the only country that sees rampant human rights violations, state sponsored starvation, ethnic cleansing, and the destruction of female rights as evil. But if that’s truly the case, I’ll go ahead and subscribe to that criticism. I’m not sure taking a “That’s rich coming from the US!” stance here is the gotcha moment you think it is. The US isn’t without fault but, defending these groups from the labels they’ve been given by the West is like saying the term “death squads” is funny when referring to the Einsatzgruppen because the Allied powers also used toxic gasses during the first world war.
I think giving a moniker like “Axis of evil” is just silly. The implication is that there’s an “Axis of good”, but good for who? A Houthi could call the West the “axis of evil” and it’s as valid a moniker. You and I both probably agree on a similar morality and the US /Europe are definitely better places for science, intellectualism, and morality; but not as a monolith.
The US currently undergoes rampant human rights violations (border/migrants), state sponsored starvation (ending meal programs) and the destruction of female rights (abortion), coincidentally all exemplified by the One Star state of Texas.
So I wouldn’t call the US as a monolith good. It’s better than Russia, China, Iran, N Korea and others, but we could be doing so much better. Our problem is that we’re fighting anti-imperialist/occupier sentiments from within living memory abroad as well as our own stupids at home.
You could likewise say that it’s a ripple effect from russian and Chinese colonialism/imperialism.
Neocolonialism, but yes indeed! The West’s history of colonialism plays well into Russian and Chinese neocolonialism narratives.
Why is China included in your Axis of Evil? Their leadership might be shit right now but they haven’t started a war and nor are they anything like North Korea. I can visit Shanghai and have a lovely day but I can’t even legally go to Pyongyang, Tehran, or St. Petersburg right now.
Not endorsing the CCP or anything. I condemn Hamas, etc. China just seems like it’s a few notches below the others.
That’s a fair point, they could be worse than they have been lately. They are there for their abysmal human rights record, their refusal to recognize basic rights, their annexation of nearby peaceful countries, treatment of dissidents, sectarian violence, their threats and reckless behavior in the South China Sea, corrupt trade practices, exploitation of desperate nations, total lack of transparency or democratic accountability, and for directly supporting the other shithole authoritarian states on my list that who are fantasizing about a China or Russia dominated new world order. Nothing against the people of China and I don’t claim the US and the West has been perfect beacons of freedom and human rights but we try and sometimes we come close. China never comes close.
State run concentration/reeducation camps and almost complete lack of civil liberties sure seems fitting for the description ‘evil’.
I’m not saying China is a force for good. I’m saying one could have a relatively normal life in China whereas North Korea is on a different level. China, despite its ambitions and obnoxiousness in the South China Sea, isn’t funding several proxy militias like Iran. It hasn’t invaded Mongolia or even Taiwan.
What Modi and Hindu nationalists are doing in India is despicable. Four fifths of the world’s starving people are currently in Gaza. The Rohingya ethnic cleansing is ongoing. The Horn of Africa is a hot mess. There’s a lot of evil in the world right now. I wouldn’t put China 4th worst.
Not sure what you mean re: “pro-Houthi comments” - I am not seeing much of that. At least in the communities I frequent, there doesn’t seem to be too much sympathy for a non-state actor who’s simply bandwagoning on the whole “let’s shoot missiles at Israel and see what happens” thing.
The closest I’ve seen are leftists annoyed that we’re willing to protect shipping lanes but not human life in Gaza and elsewhere. No one considers Houthis shooting missiles at civilian ships a legitimate form of protest or anything, though.
It’s sort of like how no one supports Hamas but people are like, “Do you condemn Hamas?” if you criticize Israel. Yes, motherfucker! I condemn Hamas. I just hate Netanyahu too.
It’s super frustrating how most people are locked into a zero-sum mindset, and fail to understand that two sides fighting each other can both be bad in different ways such that there’s not really a “good guy”.
Don’t assume everyone who makes those arguments believes them. Also don’t assume they see “good” and “bad” the same way you do.
“Axis of evil” bruh no. These are all pretty horrible states, but don’t act like the West isn’t currently funding and protecting a genocide. They’re not any more evil than the West.
How far did you go in school? I’m genuinely curious and mean no disrespect.
I… Have no idea how to respond to this, but I guess I’m in college?
Well stick with it. Learn how you learn.
This is really just an Iranian puppet. Iran is getting crazier in their efforts to plunge the whole region into war.
I hate to say it but the regime there needs to go.
It’s coming, the groundwork is already being laid. I just saw several articles about Iran possessing nuclear material to build several bombs …
That ‘iran has enough material to build a bomb’ headline is just fear-mongering to increase support for western operations in iran (which by the way would be disastrous for all countries involved, think the war in Iraq but with outcomes that are 10 times worse). Just getting enough fissile material isn’t enough to make a viable nuclear weapons program. You need a viable nuclear weapons delivery system. You need to miniaturise the bomb to fit on your weapons system. If you manage to make the bomb but it weighs 50 tonnes, requires a liquid tritium factory on site and you only have one you haven’t created a nuclear weapons program. You’ve made a really destructive physics experiment.
I wouldn’t start getting worried until Iran starts testing ICBM, submarines, satellites and command and control structures that can handle the responsibility of nuclear weapons. In the mean time they probably refining materials for civilian and political reasons.
That was my point, the fear mongering about nuclear weapons is going to be the excuse they use to invade Iran. Doesn’t matter how likely it really is(see Iraq and WMDs).
The whole place is already a shit show. I don’t know how much more disasterous it can get. My only real concern would be if Pakistan and India got involved. Not that I’m hoping for the war to spread but I’m not seeing many options.
So they never meant it about the Palestineans then. Just another state-backed group playing stateless people as bargaining chips.
Genuinely asking but is Russia supporting Israel currently?
There are some accounts here that are puppets to the US media. Russia is the bad guy, Iran is the bad guy and china is the bad guy and we need to take them down.
Yet they fail to illustrate why things happen in the first place and neglected to mention the aggressive and failed foreign policies the US and it’s allies are following.
Saying this is not about Gaza is missed up, because it neglected the fact that they target ships from part Israelis owner, the US which aid Israel, the Marshall Islands flags because that what the Israeli use for their ships to avoid being targeting.
As far as I’ve read, no. They have a fraught relationship because of the Russian pogroms of jews awhile back. But Israel is also unable to get away from them as Russia still has a Jewish population that they have no qualms abusing if their relationship goes south. It’s why the Israelis aren’t giving stuff like iron Dome launchers and rockets to the Ukrainians, because they know Russia will start punishing Russian jews for it.
US are the ones financing that mess in palestine.
Not China or Russia.
Well of course. We’re all at War. Putin has launched a war against the entire world and his allies are helping them. And if Donald Trump wins the presidency he’ll have another Ally.
China cut direct financial ties to Russia due to secondary sanctions by the US. This isn’t a Ukrainian war thing, this is a “Iran and Houthi opposition to Western support of Israel” thing.
Nonsense, China is Israel’s second biggest trading partner.
Couple things here:
- Trade is not synonymous with support
- China is opposed to the West as well, creating incentives for Ansar Allah to avoid antagonizing China
China is not “opposed to the West”, China built the modern West
Denmark isn’t sending arms to Israel, so why are their ships being attacked?
Ultimately, this is a “Iran and Houthi opposition to the West” thing.
What an ignorant thing to say
Sure feels like a lot of the “world is at war” right now.
Until China starts shooting, we’re still in the prelude.
Cool. We’ll just slide through next to their ships. Problem solved!
Everyone start registering their ships in Slovenia and flying versions of the flag with an even smaller coat of arms
Just take a page out of the Russian’s books and spoof the GPS and identification
They too allow Indonesian owned ship to pass through red sea.
