I don’t really want to reveal my identity online and I’ve been trying to find how I can do that. It seems like Patreon is the only one that acts as a middleman between you and the donator but it only does monthly subscriptions which I don’t really want to have…

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    There is crypto. You could take Bitcoin or if you want to be incredibly cautious Monero. It is an additional hurdle though for the average consumer.

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        the issue you’ll run into is the rules and regulations on the finance industry. To prevent fraud, terrorism, or crime, there’s know-your-client and anti-money-laundering rules that most financial services follow that require you to identify yourself.

        Kofi lets you use a PayPal business account, or Stripe, which you set what is shown on the donors bank statement (so it’d show up as what you set it to, rather than a personal name/email). So that might be an option to protect you from being identified by donors, if that’s your worry.

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          Right, Kofi does do that but to establish a Paypal business account, you need to have a registered entreprise as far as I can tell. To established a registered entreprise, I would need to, well, register it and then I might be liable for corporate tax and people will be able to simply look up the business and find my personal information there anyways. As for Stripe, as said in another document, it still leaked information about me which is quite annoying.

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            I have a PayPal business account and don’t have any sort of registered business. They upgraded me at some point years ago when I was getting paid through them regularly. There might be a minimum that has to have gone through your account or something, but it shouldn’t incur any corporate taxes or anything.

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          I think cryptocurrencies are largely inefficient, attract tons of scammers, generally propose deregulation of the finance sector and serve no real purpose.

          Largely, I don’t think they solve problems as much as they create them.

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            I’d argue that crypto is more efficient than the legacy fiat currency banking systems. The people/central banks that print money are some of the most corrupt on the planet. Scammers are attracted to money. There are plenty of fiat scammers too. Crypto doesn’t propose any kind of regulation or deregulation. It’s about decentralization and freedom to control your own assets. The fundamental driving force behind it is very much the same as the fediverse. It’s decentralized money.

            They serve the purpose of being able to quickly and easily send money around the globe without middle men that can censor your transactions. Anyone in the world can create a wallet for free. There are many places in the world where it’s difficult to even get a bank account.

            I don’t understand where you got the ideas that you have about cryptocurrency?

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              I’d argue that crypto is more efficient than the legacy fiat currency banking systems.

              I don’t believe this to be true.

              Scammers are attracted to money. There are plenty of fiat scammers too.

              Sure, but you don’t see fiat currencies being used to pump and dump.

              Crypto doesn’t propose any kind of regulation or deregulation.

              It does. A system where you can transfer money without giving the information that would be needed for a government to tax you or regulate transactions is one that encourages people to commit fraud and avoid financial regulations.

              The fundamental driving force behind it is very much the same as the fediverse. It’s decentralized money.

              No. Distributed systems are fundamentally incompatible with federated systems. They are both decentralized but the way they are decentralized is very different.

              They serve the purpose of being able to quickly and easily send money around the globe without middle men that can censor your transactions.

              This is true but there are often reasons why transactions might be blocked. Some might be right and some might be wrong. If we’re talking about fraud, blocking transactions is good. If we’re talking about sex work, blocking transactions is bad. There is not an inherently bad value to blocking transactions.

              There are many places in the world where it’s difficult to even get a bank account.

              I’d love to see information about that.

              I don’t understand where you got the ideas that you have about cryptocurrency?

              I’ve seen cryptocurrency spaces and have informed myself on the subject. I don’t believe it solves real problems.

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                I guess there is no convincing you. You seem very set in your ways. Edit: but I’ll try…

                Let’s forget about “crypto” and just discuss Bitcoin and Ethereum. Those are the only two that have real value.

                Ethereum switched to proof of stake, which dropped the energy used by the network by 99%. Bitcoin is still proof of work, but we waste electricity on lots of silly things. A lot of bitcoin mining is already done with renewable sources of energy.

                There are a lot of cryptos that are used for pump and dumps. That’s doesn’t take away from the utility and value of crypto that isn’t used for that.

                Blockchains are public ledgers. They are terrible for avoiding taxes!

                There is a lot of overlap in the culture of distributed centralization and federated systems. Many people that are into Bitcoin are really into the fediverse too.

                There may be “good” reasons to block someone from making transactions, but who gets to decide what is good? like you said, sex workers should have access to financial transactions just as much as any other worker.

                Andreas Antonopoulos has done some good talks on banking the unbanked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Y_F3PS4JE

                I use Bitcoin and Ethereum to store my wealth. From my perspective it solves the problem of needing to trust someone else with my money. It’s not unheard of for banks to fail and take your money. Look at the debt crisis that happened in Cypress and Greece. They just took money from people’s bank accounts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012–2013_Cypriot_financial_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_government-debt_crisis

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                  Ethereum switched to proof of stake, which dropped the energy used by the network by 99%.

                  Well, proof of stake is less power hungry for sure but it also has a big con : The people who control most of the currency can now fake money. Considering our capitalist society with very big gaps in wealth, this is not an acceptable thing.

                  A lot of bitcoin mining is already done with renewable sources of energy.

                  That’s not great. These sources of energy could be used more productively. There’s also nonetheless tons of it is done on coal.

                  Blockchains are public ledgers. They are terrible for avoiding taxes!

                  Public ledgers which do not contain the information needed for taxation - pointless.

                  There is a lot of overlap in the culture of distributed centralization and federated systems. Many people that are into Bitcoin are really into the fediverse too.

                  There is some but I think most people who want a distributed system will go for a distributed social service like Aether for example.

                  There may be “good” reasons to block someone from making transactions, but who gets to decide what is good? like you said, sex workers should have access to financial transactions just as much as any other worker.

                  The people should through the government that establishes regulation. I don’t believe workarounds to be solutions to these problems. After all, a sex worker can still not solicit work through social media and would be unlikely to look for help from the government if they need it because their work is prosecuted. Cryptocurrency does not solved that.

                  I use Bitcoin and Ethereum to store my wealth. From my perspective it solves the problem of needing to trust someone else with my money. It’s not unheard of for banks to fail and take your money.

                  Again, I believe in the government needing to bring good laws to solve these problems. I don’t believe that deregulation solves these issues. I also think that you have to trust an infinite number of people to trust in a blockchain system, people who are not regulated by law.

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    Revealing it to who? The service you’re getting money through? Good luck. The donor? That’s pretty easy.

    On PayPal you can set up a donation page that only lists the name you give it. It might have something to do with setting up an organization or something? Anyway, I use it for donations for my DayZ server and it doesn’t display personal info, just the server name.

    I don’t know if CashApp shows anything other than the name you set, or if there’s some way to find one with the other, but that might be worth looking at.

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      Right, that’s what I want, just the donor.

      On PayPal, It mentioned that it was the “legal business name” so I guess I got scared because of that.

      CashApp is not available in Canada.

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        They may have different policies in Canada than in the US. I’d try contacting their support to find out!

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    You could probably set up a LLC or trust with a post office box address and VOIP number, depending on where you live. Then set up a business account with PayPal, Venmo, Zelle, etc. This will provide some measure of privacy from random people who donate but of course legally you will still be connected.

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      In Québec, all companies must have their “ultimate beneficiary” listed in their corporate listings so while a PO box and VOIP number are options, the listing would still have my full name and would be rather expensive to just… accept money.

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        Hmm okay. Maybe some sort of legal forum about Québec laws might have some more insight. And true, this will all cost money so depending on the donations it may not be worth it.

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    I haven’t been able to figure it out either. Which really sucks, but I understand why it is the way it is. I hope you can figure something out that works well for you soon!