• jobby@lemmy.today
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    4 months ago

    LOL. I’m not a Russian bot. I didn’t really see the ‘Ukrainian spy chief’ part.

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      4 months ago

      here I am feeling guilty sometimes making a comment halfway through a 200 comment thread before scrolling on to find someone else already made the same joke while this mf making smug comments when they’ve not even read half the headline.

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        4 months ago

        Sorry?!?! I totally support what the guy stood for. Putin is a shitstain.

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          I totally support what the guy stood for.

          Navalny was a driving force in the annual anti-Muslim, antisemitic, anti-immigrant “Russian March” in Moscow. Its central themes are “Take Back Russia,” “Russia for Russians” and “Stop Feeding the Caucasus” — the latter a demand to end federal subsidies to poorer, less-developed, largely Muslim regions of Russia. He has a video ad calling Central Asian and Muslim peoples of the Caucasus in Russia “cockroaches that must be exterminated” while implying people should go out and shoot them.

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            Interesting. I guess I, and most other people in the West just assumed he was anti-Putin and therefore good.

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              Huh that’s weird that’s exactly what we’ve been saying the entire time and we’ve been called every fucking name in the book by you smug dipshit liberals.

              Now take this sudden realization that you had no idea about the person until the media told you about him 6 months ago and the media intentionally propped him up as a hero despite all that and apply it to the entire war.

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              This is the time when you should self-reflect about how the West propaganda you into this state. Governments, media lie all the time, why should you trust them when they report about their enemy’s countries?

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              4 months ago

              How is that spreading Russian propaganda?!

              Putin wants to undermine everything Ukraine does and everything their officials say. He wants us to think he killed Navalny in order to boost this message to opponents of Russia, and when a Ukrainian official breaks the truth here you are clinging to Putler’s fantasies. Don’t bother KGB bot, I have personally read every word Anne Applebaum has ever written and would never fall for your underhanded slavic tricks.

            • Sasuke [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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              How is that spreading Russian propaganda?!?!

              wow, you can tell it’s an election year… don’t even bother, i know you and your kremlin bot army are just here to convince me not to vote for hillary again. for the record, it won’t work. i’m voting for her twice this year.

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              I think it’s unfair to someone this credulous, so I will let you in on the fact that they are fucking with you when they call you a Russian bot or whatever. People are just really sick of dealing with ignorant neoliberals who treat Navalny like Tank Man. The other things they said, about him being a fascist, etc., were sincere and have even been covered in overly-sympathetic sources like Atlantic.

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          I’m curious what you think Navalny stood for, which you claim to totally support? Spoilers, he was an ultra far-right nationalist piece of human garbage.

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            I recently understood that he ‘flirted’ with the rightwing many years ago, but didn’t know he still was.

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        It was late. I was tired. The guy was executed. Slow or fast, he was killed for being a political opponent, and likely tortured in the process.

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            Yeah I did. It may have ultimately been a blood clot, but that was almost certainly the result of all the abuse he suffered.

            Putin is personally responsible for his death.

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          What you’re doing here is interpreting any evidence as supportive of the conclusion you chose at the beginning. You’re making that conclusion unfalsifiable.

          If Russia said he died of natural causes, you’d say they’re lying. Ukraine says the same thing, well this blood clot must be evidence of torture. Why Ukraine wouldn’t jump on that interpretation if it was at all plausible is left unanswered. If he was struck by lightning you’d say Putin used him to test a new superweapon.