Keep in mind though, that there’s a LOT of bad-faith propaganda-shilling accounts right here on lemmy desperately trying to convince you that both sides are equally as bad and not to vote this year.
Best advice is to report and block them when they share their misinformation and don’t fall for it.
Yep. I’ve had multiple people suggest that Biden would be just as bad when it came to the rights of queer people. The sad thing is, some people get convinced by that.
Exactly. I can hold my breath and vote for a candidate I don’t like if his opponent is a fascist. Especially one so brazen.
We didn’t get here by fascists holding their vote unless the right went right enough. They spread their ideology and encouraged people to see it as bit enough of a problem to abandon their single issue while indoctrinating enough people into their camp to gain the ability to primary in sufficiently fascist candidates.
We on the far left need to become a dependable voting block that is worth courting then start winning primaries.
Glad to help. My wife and I have been discussing how we got here lately and I think that’s an important discussion for the left to have. While we were arguing the far right gerrymandered half the country and took control of their party.
Tactics are cause agnostic. It’s a valuable lesson to learn for two reasons: your enemies will steal any tactic you use on them and you can steal any tactic they use too. Some tactics don’t work for some causes, you can’t manipulate fear and xenophobia to create a diverse society of equality and acceptance. But we can primary the shit out of anyone unwilling to deal with climate change or who isn’t fully in favor of an explicit right to privacy and bodily autonomy. We can have a left wing version of the tea party.
Someone just earlier today told me that Biden and Trump’s policies were exactly the same except maybe on abortion. They 100% believe that. I don’t know if they’re stupid, ignorant, or evil.
Please do not take this as a rejection of the necessity to fuck that bastard, but these people most likely have no connection to him. They are your own, homegrown problem that you need to deal with. And given the numbers, in a non-violent way, unless you really are into civil wars.
Lol have you seen hexbear recently? They are outright rooting for Russia to steamroll Ukraine. They don’t even hide it. The whole thing is so obviously a (very stupid) Russian psyop it’s honestly a bit shocking more people can’t see it plainly.
Nope, i have the whole instance blocked - enough shit in my life without them.
It is actually quite amusing how the hard right ppl in Russia and the US are somehow gravitating to each other. Given the fact that they also hate each other for being from the enemy states (they always have very strong beliefs on the subject of who is the enemy), it is puzzling how they can voluntarily be so close in other aspects.
You got my name wrong, but that is ok. It was not Putin who voted for Trump, and not him who keeps supporting him even now. Though Putin must feel really good about them, I am sure. Anyway, keep daydreaming your country into collapse if you like. This empire must also end, as all of them.
“Fascists gonna fascist” is hardly Russian propaganda. Russia had certainly played a part but it’s foolish to imagine they bear the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening now. Homegrown fascists were putting the pieces in place long before Russia (or the Soviet Union) had an effective propaganda program.
“Fascists gonna fascist” is hardly Russian propaganda. Russia had certainly played a part but it’s foolish to imagine they bear the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening now. Homegrown fascists were putting the pieces in place long before Russia (or the Soviet Union) had an effective propaganda program.
I have gotten a ban for reporting very obvious right wing trolls flying under the thinnest veneer of “leftist” ideology. It’s pretty clear that this is a top down issue on certain instances
Not surprised at all. I’ll bet I even know what community that happened in. I’ve had mods threaten me to stop reporting these trolls or I’d get banned.
I just don’t interact with that community anymore.
Sure, right wings are way way worse, yes, don’t vote for Trump, vote for (probably) Biden
But don’t fall in the trap where you just block anyone that disagrees, or you’ll find yourself becoming that which you hate, just on the other side.
Just because Biden isn’t as bad as trump, it’s a VERY low bad to cross and there is plenty to criticize. Still vote for Biden, obviously, but that doesn’t mean he should get a free pass
Keep in mind though, that there’s a LOT of bad-faith propaganda-shilling accounts right here on lemmy desperately trying to convince you that both sides are equally as bad and not to vote this year.
Best advice is to report and block them when they share their misinformation and don’t fall for it.
I’m sure we all know who I’m talking about.
Yep. I’ve had multiple people suggest that Biden would be just as bad when it came to the rights of queer people. The sad thing is, some people get convinced by that.
Some people really will believe anything about someone they don’t like. Like I’m not a Biden fan, but he has been solidly ok for a US President
He’s sure as hell better than the alternative on offer.
Exactly. I can hold my breath and vote for a candidate I don’t like if his opponent is a fascist. Especially one so brazen.
We didn’t get here by fascists holding their vote unless the right went right enough. They spread their ideology and encouraged people to see it as bit enough of a problem to abandon their single issue while indoctrinating enough people into their camp to gain the ability to primary in sufficiently fascist candidates.
We on the far left need to become a dependable voting block that is worth courting then start winning primaries.
That is a very good point I plan on using in the future.
Glad to help. My wife and I have been discussing how we got here lately and I think that’s an important discussion for the left to have. While we were arguing the far right gerrymandered half the country and took control of their party.
Tactics are cause agnostic. It’s a valuable lesson to learn for two reasons: your enemies will steal any tactic you use on them and you can steal any tactic they use too. Some tactics don’t work for some causes, you can’t manipulate fear and xenophobia to create a diverse society of equality and acceptance. But we can primary the shit out of anyone unwilling to deal with climate change or who isn’t fully in favor of an explicit right to privacy and bodily autonomy. We can have a left wing version of the tea party.
Someone just earlier today told me that Biden and Trump’s policies were exactly the same except maybe on abortion. They 100% believe that. I don’t know if they’re stupid, ignorant, or evil.
I address those people with “Fuck Putin.”
Please do not take this as a rejection of the necessity to fuck that bastard, but these people most likely have no connection to him. They are your own, homegrown problem that you need to deal with. And given the numbers, in a non-violent way, unless you really are into civil wars.
Lol have you seen hexbear recently? They are outright rooting for Russia to steamroll Ukraine. They don’t even hide it. The whole thing is so obviously a (very stupid) Russian psyop it’s honestly a bit shocking more people can’t see it plainly.
Nope, i have the whole instance blocked - enough shit in my life without them. It is actually quite amusing how the hard right ppl in Russia and the US are somehow gravitating to each other. Given the fact that they also hate each other for being from the enemy states (they always have very strong beliefs on the subject of who is the enemy), it is puzzling how they can voluntarily be so close in other aspects.
Whatever you say, Ivan. Dasvidaniya.
You got my name wrong, but that is ok. It was not Putin who voted for Trump, and not him who keeps supporting him even now. Though Putin must feel really good about them, I am sure. Anyway, keep daydreaming your country into collapse if you like. This empire must also end, as all of them.
“Fascists gonna fascist” is hardly Russian propaganda. Russia had certainly played a part but it’s foolish to imagine they bear the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening now. Homegrown fascists were putting the pieces in place long before Russia (or the Soviet Union) had an effective propaganda program.
“Fascists gonna fascist” is hardly Russian propaganda. Russia had certainly played a part but it’s foolish to imagine they bear the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening now. Homegrown fascists were putting the pieces in place long before Russia (or the Soviet Union) had an effective propaganda program.
I have gotten a ban for reporting very obvious right wing trolls flying under the thinnest veneer of “leftist” ideology. It’s pretty clear that this is a top down issue on certain instances
Not surprised at all. I’ll bet I even know what community that happened in. I’ve had mods threaten me to stop reporting these trolls or I’d get banned.
I just don’t interact with that community anymore.
Sure, right wings are way way worse, yes, don’t vote for Trump, vote for (probably) Biden
But don’t fall in the trap where you just block anyone that disagrees, or you’ll find yourself becoming that which you hate, just on the other side.
Just because Biden isn’t as bad as trump, it’s a VERY low bad to cross and there is plenty to criticize. Still vote for Biden, obviously, but that doesn’t mean he should get a free pass
Jesus fuck, no one is saying that.
Not enough people say that. I assume you want trump elected or -if Biden is elected- that we aren’t allowed to criticize Biden at all?
Vote Biden, doh, but don’t stop being critical