I woke up this morning to a text from my ISP, “There is an outage in your area, we are working to resolve the issue”
I laugh, this is what I live for! Almost all of my services are self hosted, I’m barely going to notice the difference!
Wrong.
When the internet went out, the power also went out for a few seconds. Four small computers host all of my services. Of those, one shutdown, and three rebooted. Of the three that ugly rebooted some services came back online, some didn’t.
30 minutes later, ISP sends out the text that service is back online.
2 hours later I’m still finding down services on my network.
Moral of the story: A UPS has moved to the top of the shopping list! Any suggestions??
When you are bored, backup a VM then hard kill it and see if it manage to restart properly.
Software should be able to recover from that.
If it doesn’t, troubleshoot.That reminds me of Netflix’s Chaos Monkey (basically in office hours this tool will randomly kill stuff).
When I built my home server this is what I did with all VMs. Learned how to change the start up delay time in esxi and ensured everything came back online with no issues from a cold built.
Rip VMware.
IMHO you’re optimizing for the wrong thing. 100% availability is not something that’s attainable for a self-hoster without driving yourself crazy.
Like the other comment suggested, I’d rather invest time into having machines and services come back up smoothly after reboots.
That being said, an UPS may be relevant to your setup in other ways. For example it can allow a parity RAID array to shut down cleanly and reduce the risk of write holes. But that’s just one example, and an UPS is just one solution for that (others being ZFS, or non-parity RAID, or SAS/SATA controller cards with built-in battery and/or hardware RAID support etc.)
Did the services fail to come back due to the bad reboot, or would they have failed to come back on a clean reboot? I ugly reboot my stuff all the time, and unless the hardware fails, i can be pretty sure its all going to come back. Getting your stuff to survive reboot is probably a better spend of effort.
I didn’t mean to imply that Services actually broke. Only that they didn’t come back after a reboot. A clean reboot may have caused some of the same issues because, I’m learning as I go. Some services are restarted by systemctl, some by cron, some…manual. This is certainly a wake up call that I need standardize and simplify the way the services are started.
We’ve all.committed that sin before. Its better to rely on it surviving the reboot than to try prevent the reboot.
Also worth looking into some form of uptime monitoring software. When something goes down, you want to know about it asap.
And documenting your setup never hurts :D
On the uptime monitoring I’ve been quite happy with uptime kuma, but… If you put it on the same host that’s down… Well, that’s not going to work :p (I nearly made that mistake)
It’s not the most detailed thing, but I just use a free account on cron-job.org to send a head request every two minutes to a few services that are reachable from the internet (either just their homepage or some ping endpoint in the API) and then used the status page functionality to have a simple second status page on a third party server.
You can do a bit more on their paid tier, but so far I didn’t need that.
On the other hand, you could try if a free tier/cheap small vps on one of the many cloud providers is sufficient for an uptime Kuma installation. Just don’t use the same cloud provider as all other of your services run in.
Oh, I’m fine with my setup, I have a couple of external servers that can monitor all my web accessible stuff with kuma and then I’ve got another local one to monitor my non-web accessible stuff.
Thanks for those tips though, definitely useful to consider other options
Same, Uptime Kuma is fantastic. I put it on my most critical server, if Kuma is down, everything is down :D
I reboot every box monthly to flush out such issues. It’s not perfect, since it won’t catch things like circular dependencies or clusters failing to start if every member is down, but it gets lots of stuff.
Yeah an unclean reboot shouldn’t break anything as long as it wasn’t doing anything when it went down. I’ve never had any issues when I have to crash a computer unless it was stuck doing an update.
I present to you the holy hardware compatibility table:
https://networkupstools.org/stable-hcl.html
Anything not listed there is not worth buying.
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Eatons batteries are usually really simple to switch, see
https://www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/backup-power-ups-surge-it-power-distribution/backup-power-ups/eaton-5s-ups/eaton-5s-120v-user-manual-700-1000-1500-lcd.pdfFor me they are meant for allowing a graceful shutdown in a powerout scenario and to protect the hardware behind them from power surges.
That’s why you integrate with NUT. So you can automate a graceful shutdown when battery levels drop to a set level.
Tl;dr apc bad? I have 4 cyberpower so no experience with them
They got bought. They started to suck.
Now they’ve been 'sploited, they’re overpriced, and they still schlepp the same bad software.
What’s wrong with APC? I have one for 6-7 years. I’ve changed the battery once and I think I’ll have to change it again this year. I didn’t have any problems with it.
Trash software.
At least their service is good.Can confirm. Software is trash. Wanted me to connect it to the internet and setup a cloud access account. Like, dude, you’re a glorified battery pack I’m not adding a backdoor because you want to tell APC when my warrenty is about to expire so I can get marketing emails.
Though I wonder if even besides adding an uninterruptible power supply (UPS) (writing acronym out for anyone else who would’ve had to Google it), this might be a useful exercise recovering from outages in general. This is coming from someone who hasn’t actually done any self hosting of my own, but you saying you’re still finding down services reminds me of when I learned the benefit of testing system backups as part of making them.
I was lucky in that I didn’t have any data loss, but restoring from my backup took a lot more manual work than I’d anticipated, and it came at an awkward time. Since then, my restoring from backup process is way more streamlined.
A general tip on buying UPSes: look for second hand ones - people often don’t realise you can just replace the battery in them (or can’t be bothered) so you can get fancier/larger ones very cheap.
Also, a larger capacity one is better, and it’s likely you’ll find a secondhand one with more capacity/features for a similar price.
Why? If the power has gone out there are very few situations (I can’t actually think of any except brownouts or other transient power loss) where it would be useful to power my server for much longer than it takes to shut down safely.
Longer means you’re more likely to be able to ride out a power cut, and gives you more options if you want/need to complete something more involved than saving and shutting down.
Laptops
I’m a big fan of running home stuff on old laptops for this reason. Most UPSs give you a few minutes to shut down, laptops (depending on what you run) could give you plenty of extra run time and plenty of margin for a shutdown contingency.
Small, good value, quiet, power efficient, built in battery backup and server terminal. Laptops are dope for home labs!
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UPS, good idea.
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backups too.
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UPS with usb allows you to configure a script to properly shutdown your server when a power outage happens and the UPS battery is about to run out.
This is why I gave up self hosting. It’s great when it works but it just becomes an expensive second job. I still have Plex/Jellyfin etc but for emails and password vaults I just pay for external services.
if you don’t want it to feel like a second job, you could always quit your first!
I could have the best self hosted setup… living in a van, down by the river!
I like to host as many services as possible and I’m fine with it being a second job at times since this is my main hobby, but I actually agree with you on your examples. The three things I won’t self-host are:
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Emails - I am not willing to put in the effort on this. Plus, my ISP blocks those ports so I’d already be into using a VPS even if I wanted to host this. I’d rather just pay someone else, like Proton.
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Password manager - I actually did self-host Bitwarden for a long time, but after thinking about it for a while, I decided to take the pay someone else approach here too. I’m pretty sure I’m doing everything correctly, but I’m not a security expert. I’d rather be 100% sure my passwords are in safe hands rather than be 95% sure that I’m doing everything right on this one.
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Lemmy - I’ve heard about (luckily never seen) CSAM attacks on Lemmy/Kbin and will not risk that kind of content being downloaded because I’m federated with an instance dealing with those attacks. I’m happy to throw a couple bucks at lemmy.world’s Patreon and let them handle that.
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I self host stuff that I feel the need to. But TBH, you don’t really need to self host much, outside of media collections. PhotoPrism and JellyFin are about the only two I need, aside from a PiHole. Most folks would be fine with a beefy NAS.
Not APC. (At least for Windows) trashy software.
It doesn’t need the software, it gets recognized by the system as a battery
Still bad hardware. At least the Back-UPS line.
Had a old APC that worked for many years. Brought a new back-ups 1100va few years ago , wasn’t the quality I expected.
It might work but the software is still trash.
Or TrippLite. Owners used it as a massive money laundering front for right-wing donations and bribes.
Have a suggestion?
Not really. I saw multiple mentions of eaton.
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Yeah if you self host, a UPS is very important.
I use a laptop and external jbod covered with a low power ups. As other said, the point is to bridge powergaps now long term working powerless. I live in the countrisied, so small powergaps happens specially when my photovoltaic don’t produce (no, i have no battery accumulators, too expensive)
Figure out how much power your servers use on average with the help of a wattage meter, then enter that number and how many minutes battery backup you want in Eatons UPS Power Calculator to find a suitable unit. I’m sure other vendors have similar tools too.
