• PM_me_trebuchets@lemm.ee
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    What do you think happened to these people that they end up like this? Like what turn of events lead to this?

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      I think anybody can become like this if they immerse themselves in a bubble. People have an amazing capacity to brainwash themselves and learn the language of their in-group. Then when they encounter the real world and start spewing their jargon that nobody understands we get stuff like this.

      It’s sad but you see it all the time. Basically how every cult works. Or really even how all learning works; I could produce some equally non-coherent strings of words that make perfect sense within the context of my interests. The main difference being that those areas of interest do not exist in isolation from or in opposition to the rest of society. That’s the biggest red flag

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        As humans we are very good at telling ourselves stories, rather than observing the world as it actually is.

        A personal example is, I tell myself that because I’ve been to the gym , it’s fine to pound 6 beers and a fat burger and the fact that I’m not losing weight is because of something wrong with my metabolism.

        I train hard, but a cursory look at the numbers tells us I’ve burned 6 or 800 calories, while the beers and burger add 2000 calories on top of whatever else I’ve eaten that day.

        So I think we all have - or a vulnerable to - blind spots.

        Some are much bigger than others I guess.

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          Gosh yeah that one in particular so many people struggle with. Actually bodybuilding is one of my interests that I mentioned above. Once you look the part a lot of people like to just randomly talk to you about fitness/food/weightloss lol.

          I’ve noticed that almost everybody who says they “cannot lose weight” believes that they are already eating very little. 95% of the time I just nod solemnly. Almost nobody wants advice or would be willing to take it if offered, they just want to vent and feel understood, and that’s fine.

          …but gosh is it frustrating to see so many people give up, and then come up with outlandish justifications as to why it’s just “impossible for some people”. The mind will do amazing things indeed to shield itself from confronting hard truths

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        The legal system is complex, but I think most people can at least understand the shape of what’s happening if guided through it.

        A lot of Sovcits are completely baffled by that system, so their incoherent ideas seem to them to be just the same as it.

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          You can make some sense of it if you read laws/regulations without any sense for the context or scope of a given document.

          For example, U.S. Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 2 Section 31 is a definitions section specifically for that chapter, in which “motor vehicle” is defined as “[…] every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes […]”.

          They take this definition and apply it to all US law, rather than the single chapter in which it is contained, and claim that every reference to a motor vehicle everywhere in law only applies to vehicles being used for commercial purposes. So they go around believing that they’re exempt from all such laws simply by asserting that their vehicles are non-commercial.

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      What do you think happened to these people that they end up like this?

      The legal system did a bunch of stuff to them that they didn’t understand using what sounded to them like woowoo until they became convinced that woowoo was actually the fundamental basis of the legal system, then someone else came along and exploited that mistaken belief by promising to sell them some woowoo that would let them turn the legal system to their advantage for once. Basically the mistaken idea that because you don’t understand legal things that anything you don’t understand is legal. A cargo cult.

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      I think it’s partly the Moorish Temple influence and some of it is just typical right wing nonsense leading to extreme beliefs.

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        Having watched a lot of the people in court, they don’t usually seem particularly political in any way that aligns with anything the rest of us understand.

        The normal situation seems to be people who have exhausted all their second and third chances in life. They are facing punishment that they have no legitimate way out of, and they really, really, really look for any alternative.

        It’s magical thinking in the same way where somebody with a totally dead phone keeps trying to turn it on because “I have to make this call therefore the phone must work.”

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      I think what happens, is because we wouldn’t fall for it ourselves, we find it unfathomable that some people would.

      It’s an appealing idea - that you can have all the benefits of living in society but none of the rules and obligations- and some people simply succumb to it, because it solves all their problems.

      To you and I, it’s mind bending

      In the same way if you see something is 50% off, you probably suspect it’s not legit and investigate , other people just light up and go “”ooooh discounts “”

      It’s very similar to why people buy into Trump I think. They buy the dream that under him, they can have the world exactly how they want it, and are just unable to process the fact he’s a career criminal and pathological liar who has a well evidenced life of corruption and self enrichment .

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      Conspiracism - these people tend to be conspiracy-brained already, and they don’t want you to know how the legal system really works because they want to use it to control the sheeple - but the conspiracists are special - smarter than all that. The politicisation of the COVID vaccine combined with people being locked down was a massive boon for these rubes.

      Give it time, they’ll either get a reality check, or (more likely) realise all their conspiracies point to the Jews and adopt a Nazi-adjacent ideology.

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      When you start to question how things work and why things work that way, you begin to lose connection to what is considered the “normal train of thought”.

      Think of it this way, if the government is lying to you, then every governmental institution is also lying to you. Everything you learned in school is a lie by the government, every law made is a lie by the government, every notion you know is a lie made by the government looking to control you.
      So the law is not a law you need to respect, the knowledge you were taught is not something to follow, and the people in charge are not in charge of you.
      It’s a breakaway from the system, independence of sort. Fight the power! gone sideways.