“The difference between science and religion is that if all knowledge in both were to disappear, science would rediscover the lost knowledge”
You can’t just put that in quotes without telling us who said it.
While true, what I don’t like about this quote is that it’s self evident to atheists and incomprehensible or just wrong to believers, changing no minds at all.
Yeah, I don’t believe it. Religions all over the world have certain commonalities, and many of them contain knowledge that’s just good ideas. Like, I don’t think Buddhism is going away forever if all knowledge is forgotten. I don’t think the Tao concept of the oneness of the universe is going away. FFS, George Lucas even tricked everyone into learning Taoist philosophy by calling it Jedi philosophy.
I don’t think they’re talking about ethical principles. Ethical principles are a part of psychology, and exist outside of religion. They’re talking about details. Jesus Christ wouldn’t be rediscovered, because he didn’t exist in the first place. Whatever would take his place would be different.
What do you mean by details? Do you mean a name? I agree, if all knowledge were lost, names would be lost. But that’s equally true of science and religion. After all, we wouldn’t call the force of massive attraction gravity, nor would we call the property of matter mass. Nor, of course, would we call solid materials matter. So perhaps you mean something different than names. Please be more specific.
I meant the entire beings, the lore, the stories, the mythology, the miracles, all of that shit that (almost certainly) never actually happened. Ethical principles aren’t defined by authorities, by deities. We would find those just fine if there was no religion.
That’s a really broad and general thing you’re talking about. I’m afraid there isn’t much to say about such broad strokes, because it’s hard to prove such nebulous claims. If you’re interested in having a discussion that can actually get into the facts as opposed to vague opinions, I’m afraid you need to be more specific.
I mean, they have to believe that. It’s either that or admit that it’s all made up.
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I think you’re referring to Abrahamic religions. The mythology of, say, Japan is distinctly their own. But yes, to my understanding, Islam is derived from Christianity, and Christianity is derived from Judaism, and Judaism is derived from Yahwism.
Yahweh was a warrior-storm god, which is why apparently a lot of his curses are carried out via storms or floods. And also why he was very warlike. Then Yahweh eventually got merged with El over time, who was the kind, wise father god of the pantheon. Apparently you can still figure out which parts of the Bible came from which god by looking at if the Biblical god was referred to as Yahweh or Elohim. Apparently there was another storm god from a nearby mythology named Baal, and instead of merging into 1 god, they ended up becoming rival ideologies, which is why the devil ended up being named after Baal (Beelzebub).
Anyways, Yahwism is kinda wild. Yahweh had a goddess wife at some point and then people just kinda forgot about her
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There are plenty of known religions that share no significant similarity with Sumerian beliefs, ie basically every First Nation/Native American religious system. People have been in the Americas longer than Sumer existed.
And thats just stuff I’m even vaugely familiar with. I’d wager 0% of Subsaharan African religions, aborigional, and probably most Asian religious beliefs don’t have any Sumerian influence.
Yeah, Sumerian religions have had a massive impact on world religions given Sumeria’s location in Mesopotamia and being the home to the first permanent settlements in the Eurasian continent. But as you say there are places they didn’t reach.
Though it’s particularly interesting what spreads and how. Enki was one of the most important gods to Mesopotamia, and that makes sense, but he didn’t spread nearly as far as aspects of Inanna who was regularly reimagined as she found her way to new cultures such as as Cybele in Rome.
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Yeah lol, haven’t you heard of Quetzalcoatl? Or Sky Woman?
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“And then Jesus stood up to speak before his disciples but Alas he realized that he had not worn pants to school, and his teacher was Will Smith for some reason.”
If you destroyed all science books and knowledge, in a few generations they would all be rewritten.
If you destroyed all religions, in a few generations you’d have completely new religions.
A few generations? I think you’re massively underestimating the combined effort required to get us to where we are now. Our society is built upon thousands of years of discoveries and progress.
I think you are missing the point
There’s nothing wrong with correcting people even if they understand the point. Especially with so huge of an error.
I love this. Thanks for this.
So they’re admitting that the bible really is just a series of fever-dreams? Cool.
Revelation sure is, no?
Mormons: lol. Dreams? No. It’s seer stones and gold tablets secretly placed for exactly these types of situations.
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Let’s test this.
Are you familiar with Mormons?
I mean, that’s where that bullshit came from to start with.
If we destroy in an irreversible way and a new one appears, we will have no way to compare it. If we save a hash of the content, will it still respawn ?
If we have a hash that can verify if the text is the same, would it even be irreversible since we can generate random text until we have a match ?
Also, what if we erased a page ? will a dude dream with it, or will it only reaper on total destruction ? If it doesn’t respawn, can we keep only a page and keep it from respawning ?
If we throw the last copy into space, will it respawn ? The copy still exists, but it’s unlikely anyone will be able to read it.
If we rewrite it, adding more text between the words, we will still have the same text, but we won’t be able to distinguish between the original words or the added ones, rendering it unusable ?
Behold, a person of science.
I had this gf that I thought was smart until she told me she hadn’t read any of the books in her library and would just sleep with them under her pillow to get the information needed.
That would be a neat trick.
But unless she blends them with skimmed milk and drinks them for breakfast, she won’t learn much. I hope you told her.
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Who’s to say that the dream accounts of various randos aren’t the lost books of the Bible?
Are you sure this isn’t sarcasm?
Or a bunch of weed smokers scribble it down on a box of Fruit Loops
*Froot Loops
#selfawarewolves
