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    Lenin and the Bolsheviks essentially legalized it though.
    Nobody likes Stalin. If you do, think about your life and your place in the world

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      ehhh, unfortunately I’ve met more than my fair share of people who unironically like Stalin.

      Lots of actually good communist figures out there and they go out of their way to choose the homophobic drunk domestic abuser who kept a literal child rapist as his right-hand man.

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        Being the leader of the nation that defeated the Nazis gets you a lot of credit. Moreso when Nazis start cropping up again.

        I think these days his iconography tends to just trigger those who would ultimately roll with fascism over communism.

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      I can’t come up with a good, succinct comment on these parallel universes, but there sure is something about seeing these side by side.

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    I remember tankies telling on Reddit me how “Pushing for LGBT Rights is forcing Western ideals on non-Western people” and how “Putin killing the gays is good actually”… the Horse Shoe Theory is real

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      Horse shoe theory still doesn’t work-- you have to change to the stethoscope model to include tankies

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        Well, the whole notion that things are on a spectrum is kind of false.

        There are the people using what we know about the world right now to try to improve the conditions for all of us and who are willing to adjust course based on evidence and results, and then there are those clinging to failed notions of the past, whether it be an outdated philsophy from four hundred years ago or a failed theory from yesterday.

        In that way it’s more of a binary that does not care if you’re anarchist, monarchist, communist, libertarian, democratic etc. If your ideas aren’t working and you fail to admit they aren’t working then you have become a conservative, regardless of how radical your idea was when it was concieved.

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      Yup, it’s always “critical support” for any country with an adversarial relationship to the “imperial core” no matter how fucked up they are on human rights, or anything else.

      It’s never critical support for any of the “succdem” countries for their advances on human rights and social safety nets despite not moving towards socialism/communism, and then trying to get them moving in that direction.

      Not that all or even most of the countries they support are actually moving towards socialism/communism either. The countries they list as AES (already existing socialism) make me think they have literal holes in their heads, like that guy that didn’t realize he shot himself in the head with a nail gun for years.

      They’re good at quoting Marx but when it comes to who they support their only requirement is anti-western aligned countries, and they’ll twist their brains into any knots necessary to invent a narrative to justify that support.

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        It’s because they don’t care about socialism. They mostly care about relitigating the cold war. It’s honestly pretty transparent.

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      It’s a very common thing for people to equate queerness with other concepts of otherness like “not from my group!” type pearl clutching. Bigots in a lot of places are weirdly more accepting of individual queer folks when they are noticeably foreign and more treat the concept of people being queer as an outside corrupting influence… Nevermind that the existence of queerness is basically a universal. People from non-permissive places really don’t want to believe that their culture will also constantly manifest new queer people. They often believe something along the lines of if they stamp on it hard enough it becomes more rare instead of just more people hiding and struggling in isolation and silence often risking their lives if they misjudge a social situation or dying because of a pervasive sense of dispair.

      But no matter how hard you stomp the “problem” never goes away. You have to keep stomping forever in perpetuity. The boot must always rest heavy on someone’s neck and will never touch floor again because there will always be someone there to rise if the pressure ever stops. It’s in part why the concept of people essentially just being “born that way” has been so powerful.

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      And to circle it to a common online debate, DC has its “Red Son” alternate continuity where the major divergence point is Kal-El’s birthing matrix lands in Soviet territory rather than Kansas so there’s a Superman born and raised wholly believing in the idealized theoretical form of communism rather than an idealized version of the US, do could get the “Goku vs Superman” argument going

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      Stalin did apparently love cowboy movies, and made party members stay up every night drinking and watching them.