There are no ethical choices under first-past-the-post voting. We must instead make a decision that reduces the most harm.

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        What population of people outside of your country is going to be “saved” by a round-2 Biden ticket exactly?..

        You can’t possibly believe in the man taking >$5.5M from Israel to run the Palestinian state into the dirt, right?

        You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train

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          Your options are:

          1. Keep the train going as it is while yelling at the conductor to stop the train.

          2. Replace the conductor with a guy who is obviously going to speed up the train and kill even more people. In fact, they’re going to implement multi-track drifting and start killing people that weren’t in any danger from the first guy.

          I dunno, seeing as how those really are my only two choices, one of them seems a lot better than the other.

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            I’ve never seen any sort of logical response to this argument.

            Person A: Maybe we should reduce harm

            Person B: But Biden is bad and evil!

            Person A: I agree, but Trump is worse and more evil.

            Person B: These are both the same!

            Clearly, there are people that will be under attack under Trump that won’t under Biden. I’m not voting Republican or Democrat in the primaries, but I’m voting against Trump in the general. Not for Biden, but against Trump, because he’s far more dangerous in the same ways that Biden was, and spreads out his harm to others as well.

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          What population of people outside of your country is going to be “saved” by a round-2 Biden ticket exactly?..

          People living in Ukraine, Gaza, and Taiwan to name a few. Also everyone in countries in Europe besides Ukraine. In fact most of the countries of the world, because authoritarian dictatorships will carve the world into spheres of influence. To be clear, dictators will be killing millions of people in their spheres of influence with genocides and ethnic cleansings.

          You can’t possibly believe in the man taking >$5.5M from Israel to run the Palestinian state into the dirt, right?

          Do you mean giving to? If we’re still talking about Biden then I believe he will do the least harm.

          You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train

          This supports my argument as I am arguing we need to pick the side that will do the least harm. There is no way to be neutral with FPTP voting.

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            we need to pick the side that will do the least harm. There is no way to be neutral with FPTP voting.

            I don’t think you need to actually “pick a side,” in the sense like they’re the team you support and root for. Vote for the best candidate available to you, yes; but don’t stop complaining about the paltriness of your choice. Don’t stop agitating for an end to an ongoing genocide that is being supported by your best-of-two-bad-choices rep.

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            People living in Ukraine, Gaza, and Taiwan to name a few.

            Ukraine’s war will continue regardless.

            The Palestinian genocide will continue regardless.

            Taiwan isn’t under any threat of being killed by the millions at the moment, so I’m not even sure how he would “save” them?..

            Do you mean giving to?

            No 😂. Look up a list of the most “donations” taken from Israel by any political candidate. Did you genuinely not look into things like this before defending him with a shitty Sonic meme?

            This supports my argument

            This is also wrong. You are allowing genocide to continue by agreeing with the current status-quo. Acting like voting in the same man taking in millions to kill over 100,000 brown people (most of which are women and children) will somehow SAVE Palestine (I noticed you used “Gaza” there by mistake, nbd I fixed that for you) is so painfully ignorant it just has to be on purpose.

            Stop drinking the state-narrative kool-aid you dork.

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              Ukraine’s war will continue regardless.

              No, Russia will conquer Ukraine if someone doesn’t support them. Trump isn’t going to support Ukraine. Biden will.

              The Palestinian genocide will continue regardless.

              No, Trump will encourage Israel to finish the genocide.

              Taiwan isn’t under any threat of being killed by the millions at the moment, so I’m not even sure how he would “save” them?..

              From China who famously wants to invade Taiwan.

              No 😂. Look up a list of the most “donations” taken from Israel by any political candidate. Did you genuinely not look into things like this before defending him with a shitty Sonic meme?

              Oh, you meant donations he received. Yeah, most US politicians have through AIPAC. I had no idea what you were talking about.

              This is also wrong. You are allowing genocide to continue by agreeing with the current status-quo. Acting like voting in the same man taking in millions to kill over 100,000 brown people (most of which are women and children) will somehow SAVE Palestine (I noticed you used “Gaza” there by mistake, nbd I fixed that for you) is so painfully ignorant it just has to be on purpose.

              No, Trump will encourage Israel to finish the genocide. All Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel will be killed. Gaza is just one part of Palestine, not the whole thing. edit: typo

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                    The lot of you are going to be so surprised when your posturing leaves you confused/scared under the dumb orange man:

                    Why go further left when you can shoot yourself in the foot and go further right?

                    It didn’t warrant a response because, again, it’s entirely state-narrative dribble coupled with an army of upvote-bots.

                    Voting for 99% fascism over 100% fascism isn’t really the “gotcha” you think it is ;)

                    In regards to the Palestinian state, they likely won’t even be alive by the time Biden loses, so it’s really a moot point regardless…

                    Enjoy the fall comrades ✌️

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              “Ukraine’s war” but Palestinian genocide. The situation in Ukraine is no less of a genocide, and it’s Russia’s war, Ukraine is just trying to survive.

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                You can’t simultaneously think they have a chance of winning AND that they’re losing so badly it’s a genocide.

                Palestine is roughly 100:1 KD and you libs are calling it a war.

                This feels like hella AstroTurf from the dumbies that moved from Reddit

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                  I said they’re both genocide. Just because the oppressor could lose doesn’t remove the possibility of genocide. Germany lost WW2, but they absolutely committed genocide.

                  Russia has abducted 20k Ukrainian children. Russia has destroyed museums, schools, cultural monuments, and churches. Russia has changed the language in the regions they conquered. It has been declared a genocide by many nations, scholars, and the international criminal court.

                  What “KD ratio” is required for a genocide to count in your mind?

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                    It cannot be both a genocide and a war. You’re intentionally misrepresenting the situation while using the state narrative’s verbiage.

                    Also the Germans didn’t lose the war to the Jewish population specifically so what is your point?..

                    Is it a war in Palestine or a slaughter?