Australia’s Mona asked a court to reverse its ruling that allowed men inside a women’s only space.

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  • Kacarott@feddit.de
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    2 months ago

    I think the intent behind a safe space is that it is separated from potential triggers. So people who were abused by a man may wish to be in a space with no men, since the sight of men might bring up past trauma. Same for people abused by women. Putting men and women together, even though they have all experienced abuse, may still be exposing them all to the same triggers they want to avoid.

    Of course all these people have the same right to having safe spaces, but those spaces don’t have to be in the same place.

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      2 months ago

      So we need a space for women abused by men, women abused by women, men abused by men, men abused by women, and people abused by mascots.

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      Maybe that makes sense for a party in someone’s home or whatever, but not in a museum.

      No one goes to a museum to feel safe, because it is you know, a museum and not a safe house or something. If someone is so incredibly scared of the other half of humanity so they can’t go to a museum where they are allowed, they probably should go to therapy or stay at home instead of a museum.

      • TheControlled@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        I was just about to to write something exactly like this.

        Being afraid of 49% of the planet so hard that going outside is impossible, what the fuck is going to a museum going to be like? Do they escort you from your car into the side entrance? And then what? Enjoy a museum or is it group therapy in there? To what end.

        Being catatonically afraid is not the world’s problem (ie fighting a legal case).

      • Kacarott@feddit.de
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        2 months ago

        Yeah I agree, I wasn’t trying to support having women only museums, just making a point why mixing men and women safe spaces together doesn’t make much sense.

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      Yeah, I understand the intent. And it is a good intent, one of those “seemingly good ideas” I mentioned. There are still HUGE problems with it, particularly depending on how broad and public the group is.

      I can agree to a need for a safe place in order to get past trauma. The issue is one of equal access and quality, I think. Specifically for something like sexual assault, I can easily imagine there being a lot of instances where there are only women-only groups available. In a way, situations like this, where we need a safe space for one group, can deprive the other group of safe spaces.

      If we want to keep segregated spaces for things like this, fine, but there has to be some equality of access. If not with your specific group, then having a network with other groups, for instance. This is a huge, complicated topic with a lot of possibilities and nuance, and is a bit past the point of this post. The purpose of my previous comment was to refute the obvious strawman of the last commenter, equating an art installation to safe spaces for sexual assault survivors.