Good intentions, implementation, and results here, but seriously folks, think VERY carefully about what you’re doing when you tamper with something someone’s putting in their body.
You don’t use a random cutting solution, you use the same juice with no nicotine. A lot of juice makers offer 0 nic versions for people that want to just enjoy the act and flavor of vaping without the addiction, and for this specific purpose of cutting the nic level because they only offer certain increments (usually 3%, 6%, 12%), which may be too high for one’s personal preference.
Just as a thought experiment, what you’d really wanna do is change the salt nic formulation, i.e. the acidic compound which is added to freebase nicotine to convert it to a salt. This directly shapes the pharmacokinetics of the resulting nicotinic effect from vaping it, which is what leads to the common knowledge that salt nic hits harder, but doesn’t last as long as freebase. That isn’t universally true at all, but is a result of the salt formulations that are popular in the market.
I worked with a scientist that once formulated a 20mg/mL solution for me that had similar throat hit to the 40mg/mL products I was using & had a very steep onset curve, and I found it to still be very satisfying even immediately after swapping. It wasn’t a successful product though because for the consumer, 20mg = 20mg & 40mg = 40mg
Guess my point is that the novel ways of using tech to improve weaning off nicotine using vaping do legitimately exist, but they don’t have a place in a free market so we won’t have it while regulators stay luddites on the issue
That’s when you take a page out of the book of lightbulb manufacturers. On the box, CFLs and LEDs don’t show their actual wattage on the front, they write “100w equivalent” because that’s how people are used to measuring luminosity.
I find it changing as of lately, as “W equivalent”, lumens, and actual Watts get printed on the bulbs’ package more often, sometimes even pulsation score or something. This really helps because actual Watts and lumens are quite independent now
Yeah exactly, but to get to that point we needed to message it to consumers as such for ~20 years. Similarly, in OPs example, the 20mg feels similarly to a 40mg, but with half the nicotine - clearly the measurement on the box is being used as a proxy for “how does this feel” (no clue if that has a measurement/is measureable) but could definitely message it similarly
For those like me who have never heard of (E)VAPI or Honey Cut and want to read a disturbing story of how illicit products may be made of pretty much anything, there’s a read from Leafly
Mixing vape juice is standard practice though. You can buy nicottine free vape juice everywhere. If you splti 50mg with nic free at 50:50 you have… 25mg! It’s extremely common FYI
If you can’t tell the difference between messing up a cocktail mix and intentionally tampering with a drink or drug formula I don’t know what to tell ya man.
Everyone is talking about reducing the active ingredient in a serving of a recreational psychotropic drug by serving more of the (not “a”, but “the”) carrier dilute. If Anon’s GF doesn’t get the nic she needs, she’ll take more puffs. If you don’t get the buzz you want, you’ll ask for another cocktail.
Y’all can ride on the technical definition of “tampering” but a) the cocktail mix not being as expected (e.g. “as done last time round”) would amount to the same, “Hey this Mojito is practically virgin!” and b) there’s a rather huge difference between diluting or strengthening the active ingredient and c) on a whole another escalation scale, adding something that’s not supposed to be in the serving at all. Like, dunno, CBD in a Bloody Mary. Yet another magnitude: Vitamin E acetate in vape juice (don’t do that that’s where the popcorn lung cases came from).
Can you make those distinctions in your mind or is the concept of “tampering” mushing it all together?
Good intentions, implementation, and results here, but seriously folks, think VERY carefully about what you’re doing when you tamper with something someone’s putting in their body.
Do not try at home to the nth degree.
Instructions unclear. Afraid to cook for gf now.
yeah using some random “cutting solution” is how you end up with Honey Cut 2.0
You don’t use a random cutting solution, you use the same juice with no nicotine. A lot of juice makers offer 0 nic versions for people that want to just enjoy the act and flavor of vaping without the addiction, and for this specific purpose of cutting the nic level because they only offer certain increments (usually 3%, 6%, 12%), which may be too high for one’s personal preference.
Just as a thought experiment, what you’d really wanna do is change the salt nic formulation, i.e. the acidic compound which is added to freebase nicotine to convert it to a salt. This directly shapes the pharmacokinetics of the resulting nicotinic effect from vaping it, which is what leads to the common knowledge that salt nic hits harder, but doesn’t last as long as freebase. That isn’t universally true at all, but is a result of the salt formulations that are popular in the market.
I worked with a scientist that once formulated a 20mg/mL solution for me that had similar throat hit to the 40mg/mL products I was using & had a very steep onset curve, and I found it to still be very satisfying even immediately after swapping. It wasn’t a successful product though because for the consumer, 20mg = 20mg & 40mg = 40mg
Guess my point is that the novel ways of using tech to improve weaning off nicotine using vaping do legitimately exist, but they don’t have a place in a free market so we won’t have it while regulators stay luddites on the issue
That’s when you take a page out of the book of lightbulb manufacturers. On the box, CFLs and LEDs don’t show their actual wattage on the front, they write “100w equivalent” because that’s how people are used to measuring luminosity.
I find it changing as of lately, as “W equivalent”, lumens, and actual Watts get printed on the bulbs’ package more often, sometimes even pulsation score or something. This really helps because actual Watts and lumens are quite independent now
Yeah exactly, but to get to that point we needed to message it to consumers as such for ~20 years. Similarly, in OPs example, the 20mg feels similarly to a 40mg, but with half the nicotine - clearly the measurement on the box is being used as a proxy for “how does this feel” (no clue if that has a measurement/is measureable) but could definitely message it similarly
For those like me who have never heard of (E)VAPI or Honey Cut and want to read a disturbing story of how illicit products may be made of pretty much anything, there’s a read from Leafly
Mixing vape juice is standard practice though. You can buy nicottine free vape juice everywhere. If you splti 50mg with nic free at 50:50 you have… 25mg! It’s extremely common FYI
Would you be saying the same thing if it was about diluting vodka with water?
…because that’s what mixing vape juice with juice base is.
Yes I would, tampering is dangerous shit even when you think you’re being benign about it.
Not to mention the implicit overstepping of boundaries and violation of knowing consent.
If I was making a cocktail for a friend, and, eyeballing the ratios, ended up putting too little vodka in it, would that still be tampering?
If you can’t tell the difference between messing up a cocktail mix and intentionally tampering with a drink or drug formula I don’t know what to tell ya man.
Noone is talking about medication.
Everyone is talking about reducing the active ingredient in a serving of a recreational psychotropic drug by serving more of the (not “a”, but “the”) carrier dilute. If Anon’s GF doesn’t get the nic she needs, she’ll take more puffs. If you don’t get the buzz you want, you’ll ask for another cocktail.
Y’all can ride on the technical definition of “tampering” but a) the cocktail mix not being as expected (e.g. “as done last time round”) would amount to the same, “Hey this Mojito is practically virgin!” and b) there’s a rather huge difference between diluting or strengthening the active ingredient and c) on a whole another escalation scale, adding something that’s not supposed to be in the serving at all. Like, dunno, CBD in a Bloody Mary. Yet another magnitude: Vitamin E acetate in vape juice (don’t do that that’s where the popcorn lung cases came from).
Can you make those distinctions in your mind or is the concept of “tampering” mushing it all together?
Your friend knew you were mixing it though
If you were to go around a party pouring water in everybody’s drinks when they aren’t looking, I would consider that tampering, yes.
If I were to hand everyone shots of pure tap water when they’re expecting vodka, would that be tampering?
Note if you say “no” then you’re literally no fun at parties. Zero. Nilch. Less actually, you’re negative fun.