The article suggests that the issues occur most in private detention centers, and argues that ill detainees should be relocated to healthcare facilities. Private detention centers most certainly should be abolished, and not just for ICE detainees.
The article also states they have been 10 deaths in FY 2024 according to ICE.gov, however the website only shows 6. I’m guessing the website is not updated, but the article only identifies two deaths since January, making the total 8. I haven’t found information on the other two deaths reported elsewhere.
Here are the number of deaths by fiscal year from ICE.gov:
FY 2024 - 6 (10 reported by NBC)
FY 2023 - 4
FY 2022 - 3
FY 2021 - 5
FY 2020 - 21
FY 2019 - 8
FY 2018 - 6
Thank you for posting the actual numbers. This article is pretty shitty imo. I read it just to see if they even included them (I guess, to their credit, at least they did that).
4,3,5 and 10(even though the govt is reporting 6) over the last 4 years.
So even assuming 10 is correct, using the “more than doubled” almost seems like journalistic malpractice. At best it’s click-bait garbage. Where was the “ICE sees 25% drop in in-custody deaths” article a few years ago?
Should we watch it to see if it’s a broader trend? Yea, probably. Is this necessarily indicative of anything nefarious? No.
There could be (and likely are) legitimate reasons for the increase that have nothing to do with “ICE bad”. Like maybe, people coming in already sick, maybe an older demographic, unvaccinated people, etc etc. or literally just random fucking chance.
Why are we keeping them in such poor conditions if they’re already sick? Why aren’t they in hospitals?
“in custody deaths” means deaths while under the supervision of ICE. That could be detained at an ICE facility or in a hospital “while being detained”.
If you got arrested by your local police for something and were in jail, but got sick so they send you to the hospital (with a cop escort usually)…then you died there. That counts as “in custody”.
So don’t conflate in-custody with “not being sent to hospitals”.
Oh I’m not conflating anything. Between the immigration advocates and the government agency caught committing human rights abuses I’m going to believe the immigration advocates. They don’t send them to hospitals.
The article states there are on-site medical practitioners and facilities. I think they’re suggesting there’s no practice in place if a detainee needs advanced medical care.
A national guard army medic with their go pack is not adequate facilities.
“Comprehensive medical care is provided from the moment individuals arrive and throughout the entirety of their stay,” the agency said in the statement, as well as in previous statements following detainee deaths. “All people in ICE custody receive medical, dental and mental health intake screening within 12 hours of arriving at each detention facility, a full health assessment within 14 days of entering ICE custody or arrival at a facility, and access to medical appointments and 24-hour emergency care. At no time during detention is a detained noncitizen denied emergent care.”
Again, it’s about them not having access to advanced medical care. If a detainee needs an MRI, CT, colonoscopy, etc. there is no practice in place for relocation to a medical facility.
And I’m saying the guys known for spraying detainees with so much pesticide they were bleeding from their orifices aren’t going to tell you they don’t give anyone any actual medical care. They have an army medic that gets 5 minutes to look at them through the bars. And that’s only when they get one assigned to them.
Do you have a source? I haven’t seen anything like that and I’d like to read more about it.
The numbers are interesting and I bet the 2020 number is very high because of covid, but them comparing total deaths might be statistical deception.
How old were the people who died? What were the causes of death? Did the total amount of people in detention stay consistent over time?
According to the article, a few of the ones listed are pretty young, but they didn’t show causes of death.
Looks like they went on a killing spree at the end of donalds term. Assuming this was about the time they were shredding documents, email, and texts illegally? Not surprising considering ice acted as donalds personal death squad.
Trump’s next rally:
“I can do better!”
Crazy thought, but maybe it’s not the President in charge. Maybe it’s the record high heat and the deplorable conditions of confinement.
Maybe we shouldn’t be holding these people in concentration camps to begin with.
Maybe the president should have tackled the bad conditions in ICE detainment like he promised? He promised a more fair and humane system after Trump’s abuses of detainees and instead he’s treated Trump’s conditions as a record to beat.
Maybe the president should have tackled the bad conditions in ICE detainment like he promised?
Sounds like pie-in-the-sky leftist agitprop to me.
He promised a more fair and humane system after Trump’s abuses of detainees and instead he’s treated Trump’s conditions as a record to beat.
Everyone knows that a Democratic President doesn’t have the same authority as a Republican President.
So fun fact. On my phone I have you tagged as sarcastic. But on my computer I haven’t figured out how to tag people yet.
But yes.
ICE is controlled by the department of Homeland Security, which is under the executive branch. As we remember from civics class, the president is directly responsible for the executive branch. The president is responsible for the atrocities at the border.
Are you telling me that the current President - Joe Biden - is responsible for a rising tide of migrants dying from heat exposure in ICE detainment centers?
Yes. Who else?
Presumably the head of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas
Biden placed Mayorkas in that position, and is his boss.
You’d think that would make Republicans like Biden…
The general lack of empathy for these people is disgusting.
5, 3, 4,then 10 deaths in the past four years including 2024, all inmates were given medical and dental, psychological support and there are two causes of death of in the article unknown, which is probably the most cause for concern.
I looked it up.
The two unknown are undergoing investigations now, standard practice in ICE to investigate cause of death
8 of the deaths since 2018 resulted from covid in at-risk populations, 9 from suicide, which I think is a little higher than the american average of 14 per 100,000 people, but some of these people left notes saying that if they might be sent back then they’re going to kill themselves, so… More high stakes, more pressure in a lot of these situations obviously.
Most of the covid deaths were in high risk patients, the elderly or chronically ill with kidney issues or the like.
So basically, you just did more legwork than the journalist that published this article and there isn’t a big story here. Maybe if those 2 deaths come back “omg aliens killed them” we’d have a story.
It looks like they just wanted to say double the deaths and hope somebody gasped.
10 deaths versus 4.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics…
Ah, so 2.5 x. Thanks for the clarification.
Or, 1/50th the death rate of the general US population.
I mean, what this actually says is there’s been a year within the last five that was worse. Obviously nobody should be dying and frankly ICE should not exist and murica just needs to stop pretending it’s so special since it’s such shit to begin with, but “within the range of the last five years” is just a boring angle to write an article from.
Pigs thrive in environments that encourage violence
All of North America should have freedom of movement and trade. We can make the border the Panama canal so things are nice and simple.
Hmm…I don’t want to read the article, but I’m pretty sure it’s not Internal Combustion Engine…
From context, it seems like it must be… Immigrant Containment Encampments?
In-Car Entertainment if I remember correctly
