To all those people who keep saying that in order to not have Trump back in 2025, everyone must suck it up and vote Biden, this is why that just can’t happen.
Sure Trump is bad in many ways but Biden’s insistence on helping Netenyahu no matter what will lose him the election.
I’m not making a case for Trump, btw. Both things can be bad at the same time. For people who are seeing Gazans die for no reason, Biden cannot come back into office again. Does that mean we want Trump? Of course not, and that’s why voting for anyone else makes sense.
If voting for anyone else means you’re voting for Trump, so be it!
People who get anxious at criticism of Biden should dedicate their energy to pressure the US government to grow some brain cells and stop behaving like lunatics, not at berating everyone who expresses angst at their complicity with genocide.
Democratic governments aren’t some force of nature that will do as they please no matter the consequences. You, as their constituents, can signal to them that their actions may make them lose the next election. If you want young people to vote for Biden, what’s more likely to do the trick, to endlessly argue with the few of them you’ll find on Lemmy, or to have Biden stop ruining his own image for no gain?
Absolutely do not vote for Trump, that’s like voting for MORE genocide. Vote for a third party and focus the fight for change outside/beyond the electoral system.
Voting for a third party, especially if you are in a key swing state, is a bad idea. If you are a
registered democrat you’ll have to vote democrat to keep Biden.
I’m not American so I don’t get a vote either way. But there’s no way I’d ever vote Democrat or Republican. Both parties are absolutely irredeemably evil, I would rather die than put my support behind either of them.
Do you think people love their candidates? They are voting for lesser of the 2 evils. If you vote 3rd party if you just wasting your vote, so you could at least try to stop the other from winning. It’s basically what people are doing.
Do you think I don’t understand what tactical voting is? I understand everything that you have written but I still believe that if you vote for either Trump or Biden that you are complicit in genocide.
That’s just not true. You do not have to vote with your party, you do not have to vote for every position on the ballot, and you do not have to vote at all if you do not want to.
Of course. And that’s how we got Trump elected because people didn’t like Hilary, especially in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
People already showed that they don’t want Biden during the primaries. Biden could lose Michigan without Arab-American support, which is evident based on the primary results, but
he is still actively trying to lose the election.
So, should we vote 3rd party and make Biden lose votes to teach him a lesson or just vote for Biden to keep Trump out? Neither of the 2 options are ideal but that’s what we have right now.
Same applies for a Trump supporter. You don’t want to vote for a Felon and you rather let Biden win?
Our election system is outdated and does not represent the needs or wants of the people. We need to have more than 2 viable candidates as options but 70 year olds won’t change anything so that they be President when they turn 80. Hopefully someday they make some changes to the election system.
They will never make changes to the system that keeps them in power. Only we can do that, and we can only do it outside of the polling booth. We will never be able to vote for a good choice, only the lesser of two evils. So I vote that we destroy both evils completely and make room for good.
It’s good to see you finally being openly honest with your wish to fuck up America.
Heads up: your little group of accelerationists don’t represent the Democratic voter base, by the way. You have already been counted out demographically as they know that every four years there will be people that will buy into conservative propaganda and not vote.
“While originally used by the far left, the term has, in a manner strongly distinguished from original accelerationist theorists, been used by right-wing extremists.”
Unless your boy is a conservative posing as a left wing propagandist, I’m not accusing anyone of being a “terrorist.“
What you’re all doing though, is your very best to ensure this country collapses under Trump. And you’re all insisting everyone not vote for the one person with the chance to keep him from overthrowing America over a single issue you didnt even give a shit about less than a year ago…
A. That’s your opinion. Nobody here has said they want the country to collapse. Accusing them of accelerationism is unfounded at best.
B. Left wing violent accelerationism very much exists in extreme anarchist movements. Not sure why wiki ignored that. But the number of non violent accelerationists is incredibly small. As an ideology it quickly moves people along into violence as the only way to truly move faster.
C. It would be entirely inside their ideology for a conservative accelerationist to depress the vote by any means. They want the democracy gone.
So, again. You do not get to accuse people of being terrorists or political extremists just because they won’t vote for your fearless leader. It’s ridiculous, self serving, and bad faith in a democracy.
Do you have trouble reading? I’m serious. Is there some problem you have with understanding what the topic of a statement is?
Because I never said anything similar to thinking about voting for Trump. So you either have a reading comprehension issue, or you’re purposefully trolling. Which is against the rules of this community.
Yeah if people are angry at Biden for this shit, they’ll for sure be angry with trump because he wants them all killed too along with a litany of other shit that is clearly bad for America and the rest of the world. Voting for trump because you’re mad at Biden’s actions is like chopping your whole arm off because a finger got infected.
Not how US Elections work. Only the winner writes the laws, if you want election reform then vote Dem. If you want Trump, don’t vote dem. Those are the only two options, voting third party does nothing to help. The cumulative sum of all EC Votes given to third party candidates in the USA for 47 years is 0, and we’re risking a lot by not firmly establishing DNC leadership as the lesser evil.
I’m not American, but there’s no fucking way I’d ever vote for a candidate that supported genocide, even if the second most popular candidate is someone who supports double genocide.
No. Biden must be worthy of the office on his own merits. Or else this voting thing is useless. the people cannot hold their officials accountable if they must vote for them. That’s just an oligarchy with extra steps.
No. You have a responsibility to help the people that you can. Doing nothing while a worse person takes office is the same as you advocating for harm, directly.
To all those people who keep saying that in order to not have Trump back in 2025, everyone must suck it up and vote Biden, this is why that just can’t happen.
Sure Trump is bad in many ways but Biden’s insistence on helping Netenyahu no matter what will lose him the election.
I’m not making a case for Trump, btw. Both things can be bad at the same time. For people who are seeing Gazans die for no reason, Biden cannot come back into office again. Does that mean we want Trump? Of course not, and that’s why voting for anyone else makes sense.
If voting for anyone else means you’re voting for Trump, so be it!
People who get anxious at criticism of Biden should dedicate their energy to pressure the US government to grow some brain cells and stop behaving like lunatics, not at berating everyone who expresses angst at their complicity with genocide.
Democratic governments aren’t some force of nature that will do as they please no matter the consequences. You, as their constituents, can signal to them that their actions may make them lose the next election. If you want young people to vote for Biden, what’s more likely to do the trick, to endlessly argue with the few of them you’ll find on Lemmy, or to have Biden stop ruining his own image for no gain?
Absolutely do not vote for Trump, that’s like voting for MORE genocide. Vote for a third party and focus the fight for change outside/beyond the electoral system.
Voting for a third party, especially if you are in a key swing state, is a bad idea. If you are a registered democrat you’ll have to vote democrat to keep Biden.
I’m not American so I don’t get a vote either way. But there’s no way I’d ever vote Democrat or Republican. Both parties are absolutely irredeemably evil, I would rather die than put my support behind either of them.
Do you think people love their candidates? They are voting for lesser of the 2 evils. If you vote 3rd party if you just wasting your vote, so you could at least try to stop the other from winning. It’s basically what people are doing.
Do you think I don’t understand what tactical voting is? I understand everything that you have written but I still believe that if you vote for either Trump or Biden that you are complicit in genocide.
Well, that’s your opinion and you are entitled to believe in it.
That’s just not true. You do not have to vote with your party, you do not have to vote for every position on the ballot, and you do not have to vote at all if you do not want to.
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Voting third party in a swing state is an amazing idea. It shows that they will lose voters if they ignore their voterbase.
Of course. And that’s how we got Trump elected because people didn’t like Hilary, especially in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
People already showed that they don’t want Biden during the primaries. Biden could lose Michigan without Arab-American support, which is evident based on the primary results, but he is still actively trying to lose the election.
So, should we vote 3rd party and make Biden lose votes to teach him a lesson or just vote for Biden to keep Trump out? Neither of the 2 options are ideal but that’s what we have right now.
Same applies for a Trump supporter. You don’t want to vote for a Felon and you rather let Biden win?
Our election system is outdated and does not represent the needs or wants of the people. We need to have more than 2 viable candidates as options but 70 year olds won’t change anything so that they be President when they turn 80. Hopefully someday they make some changes to the election system.
They will never make changes to the system that keeps them in power. Only we can do that, and we can only do it outside of the polling booth. We will never be able to vote for a good choice, only the lesser of two evils. So I vote that we destroy both evils completely and make room for good.
Yeah, they love their power. Pretty evident when they serve until they die and stop younger people from getting an opportunity.
It’s good to see you finally being openly honest with your wish to fuck up America.
Heads up: your little group of accelerationists don’t represent the Democratic voter base, by the way. You have already been counted out demographically as they know that every four years there will be people that will buy into conservative propaganda and not vote.
Just like what’s happening here.
Dude, you cannot just go around calling people you disagree with terrorists. Not voting for Biden for one time is not Accelerationism.
“While originally used by the far left, the term has, in a manner strongly distinguished from original accelerationist theorists, been used by right-wing extremists.”
Unless your boy is a conservative posing as a left wing propagandist, I’m not accusing anyone of being a “terrorist.“
What you’re all doing though, is your very best to ensure this country collapses under Trump. And you’re all insisting everyone not vote for the one person with the chance to keep him from overthrowing America over a single issue you didnt even give a shit about less than a year ago…
That means….
A. That’s your opinion. Nobody here has said they want the country to collapse. Accusing them of accelerationism is unfounded at best.
B. Left wing violent accelerationism very much exists in extreme anarchist movements. Not sure why wiki ignored that. But the number of non violent accelerationists is incredibly small. As an ideology it quickly moves people along into violence as the only way to truly move faster.
C. It would be entirely inside their ideology for a conservative accelerationist to depress the vote by any means. They want the democracy gone.
So, again. You do not get to accuse people of being terrorists or political extremists just because they won’t vote for your fearless leader. It’s ridiculous, self serving, and bad faith in a democracy.
“They want democracy gone”
You mean like the idiots shouting at everyone not to vote so Trump gets the win?
You’re not fooling anyone.
Voting for Biden now is taking the brakes off a car heading towards a cliff.
The Democrats will never ever change course from becoming an extreme right wing party. Actually it’s too late.
Democrats are on board with Genocide and their immigration policy is at Trump levels. There is nothing to gain anymore with Biden winning.
And voting for Trump is what exactly? Because that is what you are accomplishing with your propaganda here. You’re getting Trump elected.
And everyone knows when that happens, you will disappear from here and resurface as a victim like the rest of the far left.
Every four years…
Not sure why you thinking about voting for Trump now.
Do you have trouble reading? I’m serious. Is there some problem you have with understanding what the topic of a statement is?
Because I never said anything similar to thinking about voting for Trump. So you either have a reading comprehension issue, or you’re purposefully trolling. Which is against the rules of this community.
Yeah if people are angry at Biden for this shit, they’ll for sure be angry with trump because he wants them all killed too along with a litany of other shit that is clearly bad for America and the rest of the world. Voting for trump because you’re mad at Biden’s actions is like chopping your whole arm off because a finger got infected.
Not how US Elections work. Only the winner writes the laws, if you want election reform then vote Dem. If you want Trump, don’t vote dem. Those are the only two options, voting third party does nothing to help. The cumulative sum of all EC Votes given to third party candidates in the USA for 47 years is 0, and we’re risking a lot by not firmly establishing DNC leadership as the lesser evil.
I’m not American, but there’s no fucking way I’d ever vote for a candidate that supported genocide, even if the second most popular candidate is someone who supports double genocide.
Is this a troll comment or do you actually believe this shit? “Double Genocide?”
I’d ask you the same but I already know the answer
Got it, you’re a troll.
No. Biden must be worthy of the office on his own merits. Or else this voting thing is useless. the people cannot hold their officials accountable if they must vote for them. That’s just an oligarchy with extra steps.
No. You have a responsibility to help the people that you can. Doing nothing while a worse person takes office is the same as you advocating for harm, directly.
And we can help people by pressuring Biden.
Trump is leading in the majority of polls, you’re not going to be able to pressure anybody when he wins.
That’s irrelevant. Trump is not the President. Pressuring him will do us no good.
Lmao, feigning ignorance of a US Election in a comment thread that literally started by talking about the US Election.
So who’s worthy of the office that has a chance to win in November then?
Let’s see you name someone.
It’s easy to suggest people not vote- but let’s see you offer up a candidate in Biden’s stead since you hate him so much.
It’s entirely possible to leave the field blank.
Nope. Name someone. Because leaving the field blank doesn’t negate an election. Someone is still going to be president.
Name someone.
Mr. Blank Field
So there it is. You cannot answer a simple question to support your entire ideology.
Just:
“biDeN bAD!” … but no alternative suggestions. Which clearly shows you are here in to disrupt.
“Just don’t vote”
“Idk, sounds kind of fascist to me, bro”
How the fuck is it fascism to use a feature of a democracy? You’ve gone completely off the cliff.
The part where Representative Democracy involves Voting to elect a leader, not just voting as a symbolic gesture.
Trump will be actively worse than Biden because he would bring the worst Israeli policies HERE.
Illegal invasion of Lebanon? Yeah, Trump wants that for Mexico.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-mexico-military-cartels-war-on-drugs-1234705804/
So, yeah, that’s what you’re voting for if you don’t vote Biden.