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    Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science.

    • Alexander Stephens, vice president of the Confederate States of America

    This is the “heritage” that they value.

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    I love telling them that the eight years of the Obama administration was almost twice as long as the lifetime of the Confederacy, making it a much bigger part of their heritage.

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      “Heritage” lmao

      It’s even funnier when I hear that in my neck of the woods - it’s like these idiots don’t understand why there’s a West Virginia or why a new state right on the Mason-Dixon line might have been formed in the middle of the country in 1863. Like for fucks sake, we literally became a state to avoid joining the Confederacy, how the fuck is a Confederate flag part of our heritage?

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        Hell, I’m from Wisconsin, and our “heritage” is sending the Iron Brigade to the Second Battle of Bull Run only to be badly outnumbered, but fucking holding, anyway. People from Baraboo apparently weren’t impressed and still wave around the Confederate battle flag.

        Fuck Baraboo. Nobody would give a shit about you if not for that grifter in charge of that circus.

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        Like for fucks sake, we literally became a state to avoid joining the Confederacy, how the fuck is a Confederate flag part of our heritage?

        It’s the repulsive symbol of the reason for your very existence! Burn it, piss on it, do anything you want to it to continue your heritage of disliking the Confederacy and their symbols!

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        Yeah that’s as bad as the Cincinnati confederates. Like, motherfucker why do you think your city has a slavery museum? Go to it, it’s depressing but you need it

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      why are you mocking them?

      can’t you see their proud heritage of land stealing, white supremacy and genocide? /s

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      Don’t do that. Part of the reason white America is whinging out at the moment is they feel tribe-less. Every human is as ancient a culture as the next, it’s simple math! Imma just assume you’re some euro trash. Go suck on a macaroon!

      Now obviously we should find something better to celebrate than some asshole slavers who lost a war they started… Devils always in the details.

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    I saw more Confederate battle flags running around Indianapolis than I did in Atlanta. It’s not about muh heritage.

    Also, fuck Indianapolis. Atlanta, you’re cool.

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      Atlanta is actually the opposite of cool, it’s not called hotlanta for no reason!

      It’s so fucking hot there, all the time

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        Granted. I was there for DragonCon, and like a lot cons, people complain about sweaty nerds who don’t use deodorant. And I get it, but it’s also Atlanta in the summer. You can take three showers a day. It does not matter.

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    Their logic is so stupid.

    You know for fuck sure that if I flew an Iraqi flag (hell, it could be a Italian flag with “scribbles” in the center), they’d pitch a fit, even if I try to defend it as “Middle East heritage”.

    I’d argue that it’s not even about racism.

    It’s about them wanting to trigger blacks and libs. They don’t know shit about the history of their Confederate flag. I’d even venture to say they don’t know shit about the Confederacy but I’m not about to debate “history” with a bunch of racists.

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    Yep, it’s stupid, and nearly all of them have no awareness of the fact that the Confederate Flag was only truly adopted as a cultural symbol as a backlash against the Civil Rights Movement.

    But it doesn’t matter.

    The last two generations of southerners have taught their kids that that awful flag is, in fact, a symbol of Southern heritage, so the bell can’t be unrung. For many, it is now a fact.

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    Westerner, then Northerner, checking in to say I strongly support Southern American cuisine. Please, please, honor some of your (y’all’s? 😁) less violent heritage.

    You want a flag with a picture of some collard greens and sweet potato pie instead of some sleeper stars and bars? Please have at it.

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    The problem with “Southern Heritage” is that pretty much all of it is stolen from folks they had previously enslaved.

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    funny how my planned obsolescence phone has had a longer lifetime than your “heritage”.

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    Funny thing. The phrase ‘cracker’ was invented by rich whites as a slur against poor whites.

    Back in the day, cracked corn was used to make hominy grits and corn liquor. Rich folks used cracked corn to feed their pigs. Since they were eating and drinking cracked corn, the poor were ‘crackers.’

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    The people flying them are well aware of the reputation. You don’t see civil war collectors flying them

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      TL;DR: Some folks still don’t know that it’s hateful due to being told and taught garbage, but more people know and understand every day.

      Not always true, although it’s probably more true today than it was back when I was growing up and someone outside of the southern bubble flying it definitely knows better.

      The insane amount of misinformation given to kids in the southern US is pretty crazy. We learned “states rights” in school (before the internet). The iconography is everywhere. We had schools either named after Confederate generals (Robert E. Lee) or with Confederate iconography as part of their identity (the Rebels, which used to be complete with a Confederate soldier mascot). One of the shows that everyone watched featured a car named after the aforementioned general and was painted up with the stars and bars.

      A lot of these folks have never been more than two hours from their house and are in little bubbles that tell them the crazy leftists are coming to take away their weiners. They absolutely do not know better because they grew up with it being glorified.

      I got really lucky. I learned a lot when I got out of that hellhole. I understand how my actions affect others and know why that’s a hateful symbol. But I can say with certainty that some of those folks absolutely do not know and really think it’s just about the rebellious spirit of the South fighting against an incompetent and corrupt government. That doesn’t excuse it, but I hope it does explain it.

      Luckily, as I mentioned at the beginning, that’s changing. People who are younger than me grew up with a more digital life and a lot of them never adopted the “rebel” lifestyle. They understand that it’s wrong and, more importantly, WHY it’s wrong. That tide is still turning and I’m here for it.

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    I forgot to say- yesterday we were in southern Illinois and I saw a big pickup truck with a huge confederate flag painted on it and I wanted to go knock on their door and tell them that they were living in the LAND OF fucking LINCOLN.