I’ll be the first to admit that there is a huge overlap between evangelicals (who pushed this initiative) and racist/fascist pieces of shit - but the ten commandments in and of themselves have no link to nazi-ism. :p
Words have meaning. And while it is absolutely and fundamentally wrong to impose religious bullshit on the education system (or anyone, really), no, you are moving the goal posts:
The ten commandments have nothing to do with Nazis. You arguing against evangelical fundamentalists doing whatever has nothing to do whatsoever with my previous comment,
You are trying to pretend there is no context involved. You are the one inventing a different scenario than what is pictured so you can feel better about whatever it is that’s got you down.
but the ten commandments in and of themselves have no link to nazi-ism
Yeah nahhh, like the Buddhist symbol was co-opted by the Germans, the commandments are used as a dog whistle by fascists now.
If it was about being Christian they would have used the Beatitudes (words of Christ) not the commandments. If it was about being chest thumping American they’d put the cononsitiution there, speration of church and state etc.
We know WHY they don’t use the Beatitudes, because theae fuckers are as close to being Christian as Hitler was to being Buddhist.
Gandhi’s famous quote summarizes whats so wrong with Christians doing stupid shit like pinning 10 Commandments to the wall, they have little resemblance to Christ
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ - Mohandas Gandhi
I generally consider the (non-theist) Commandments to generally be generally good rules to live by.
I have to say the non-theist rules because several of them are about God and religion… Like, having no other gods before [him], not taking the Lord’s name in vain, the whole idols thing…
If you take all that theist stuff out, you basically get: don’t lie, steal, cheat, or kill, don’t covet others stuff, and respect your mother and father.
Pretty decent rules overall. At the very least, a good starting point.
It’s not just control over your actions at that point, it’s control over thoughts, and you can’t really police thoughts.
Plus there’s intrusive thoughts that we can’t really control. Things that just pop into our heads. Stuff we wouldn’t actually ever do, but the thought occurs to you anyways.
At the height of my depression from burnout, my brain was concocting inventive ways to take myself out. These were undesirable and unwanted thoughts. It usually happened when I was driving around, looking for a tree large enough that if I hit it head on fast enough, I’d be certain to perish. I could not stop thinking these things.
I got help and I’ve been in a much better place since then. The ideations have stopped. I recognized something needed to change because I didn’t want to think those things.
However, this is a pretty good example of the intrusive thoughts we cannot control that we probably shouldn’t encourage. My environment caused me to get so stressed and burned out, which led to such a profound depression that I couldn’t stop such things from going through my mind. We all have those intrusive thoughts and policing them is basically impossible. Having any rules to that effect is nonsense, in the same way that we don’t have rules to stop people from being offended.
Utter nonsense.
This is why I assert that the commandments are a good starting point. Not the end goal. There’s some good guidelines in there, but they’re hardly the final ruleset that you should adhere to.
Because the original flavor is very clearly a list of rules made to enable theocratic control and create a religious apartheid.
I am pretty sure you are over-interpreting here. Theocratic control? Kinda, that’s the whole point of all the “holy books” - I mean whaddya expect? But apartheid is separating people based on (perceived) ethnicity - and the ten commandments do not even attempt to separate people based on religion. They are presented as rules for everyone, no distinction made.
I can’t believe that you managed to present such a stupid take, that I, a lifelong atheist who thinks all religion is stupid, has to defend the commandments… facepalm
Have you considered that maybe I know something you don’t?
Considered briefly, but as you decided not to share the alleged “apartheid” commandments, I dismissed that consideration as unlikely and yourself as a troll.
It’s not like they’re famously listed in one of the most read sections of the most published book of all time, lmao.
You can just say “I’m an intellectually lazy moron who started my nonsense with aggression and is now throwing a hissy fit because I can’t Google the text of Exodus.”
I was unaware the translation was this far off base. Can you give more about this? I love hearing about how bastardized the Bible has become from the ages of playing telephone.
This is like the rambling of street person after a week long math binge. Like, are these a bunch of idioms that just lose meaning in translation? And what’s up with all the hate over yeast?
I’ll be the first to admit that there is a huge overlap between evangelicals (who pushed this initiative) and racist/fascist pieces of shit - but the ten commandments in and of themselves have no link to nazi-ism. :p
Forcing them into schools despite everyone’s First Amendment rights is absolutely Christofascism which people (correctly) call Naziism as an allegory.
Words have meaning. And while it is absolutely and fundamentally wrong to impose religious bullshit on the education system (or anyone, really), no, you are moving the goal posts: The ten commandments have nothing to do with Nazis. You arguing against evangelical fundamentalists doing whatever has nothing to do whatsoever with my previous comment,
You are trying to pretend there is no context involved. You are the one inventing a different scenario than what is pictured so you can feel better about whatever it is that’s got you down.
whatever you need to tell yourself to not have to self-reflect the bullshit you are spouting…
Yeah nahhh, like the Buddhist symbol was co-opted by the Germans, the commandments are used as a dog whistle by fascists now.
If it was about being Christian they would have used the Beatitudes (words of Christ) not the commandments. If it was about being chest thumping American they’d put the cononsitiution there, speration of church and state etc.
We know WHY they don’t use the Beatitudes, because theae fuckers are as close to being Christian as Hitler was to being Buddhist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes
Gandhi’s famous quote summarizes whats so wrong with Christians doing stupid shit like pinning 10 Commandments to the wall, they have little resemblance to Christ
Huh. Does this work… both ways?
I generally consider the (non-theist) Commandments to generally be generally good rules to live by.
I have to say the non-theist rules because several of them are about God and religion… Like, having no other gods before [him], not taking the Lord’s name in vain, the whole idols thing…
If you take all that theist stuff out, you basically get: don’t lie, steal, cheat, or kill, don’t covet others stuff, and respect your mother and father.
Pretty decent rules overall. At the very least, a good starting point.
Except it will depend on interpretation, and the “thou shall not desire” parts will be used to justify anti-communist paranoia.
Yeah, those are always on shaky ground with me.
It’s not just control over your actions at that point, it’s control over thoughts, and you can’t really police thoughts.
Plus there’s intrusive thoughts that we can’t really control. Things that just pop into our heads. Stuff we wouldn’t actually ever do, but the thought occurs to you anyways.
At the height of my depression from burnout, my brain was concocting inventive ways to take myself out. These were undesirable and unwanted thoughts. It usually happened when I was driving around, looking for a tree large enough that if I hit it head on fast enough, I’d be certain to perish. I could not stop thinking these things.
I got help and I’ve been in a much better place since then. The ideations have stopped. I recognized something needed to change because I didn’t want to think those things.
However, this is a pretty good example of the intrusive thoughts we cannot control that we probably shouldn’t encourage. My environment caused me to get so stressed and burned out, which led to such a profound depression that I couldn’t stop such things from going through my mind. We all have those intrusive thoughts and policing them is basically impossible. Having any rules to that effect is nonsense, in the same way that we don’t have rules to stop people from being offended.
Utter nonsense.
This is why I assert that the commandments are a good starting point. Not the end goal. There’s some good guidelines in there, but they’re hardly the final ruleset that you should adhere to.
https://face2faceafrica.com/article/42-ancient-egyptian-laws-that-might-have-inspired-the-ten-commandments
*I tried to get a piped link, but it wouldn’t play, probably because youtube is blocking API accesses by third parties now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk81tUUhRig
You’ve got racist/fascist pieces of shit who aren’t nazis? What are they, lazy? 😄
I suppose I shouldn’t expect any reading comprehension from the OP…
I’ll have you know my reading complimentions are many and varied!
The actual Commandments or the deliberate mistranslations?
Because the original flavor is very clearly a list of rules made to enable theocratic control and create a religious apartheid.
I am pretty sure you are over-interpreting here. Theocratic control? Kinda, that’s the whole point of all the “holy books” - I mean whaddya expect? But apartheid is separating people based on (perceived) ethnicity - and the ten commandments do not even attempt to separate people based on religion. They are presented as rules for everyone, no distinction made.
I can’t believe that you managed to present such a stupid take, that I, a lifelong atheist who thinks all religion is stupid, has to defend the commandments… facepalm
Have you considered that maybe I know something you don’t?
Like, for example, the direct translations of the original texts.
Even what’s actually listed on Exodus as the Commandments.
Impossible, I’m sure.
Considered briefly, but as you decided not to share the alleged “apartheid” commandments, I dismissed that consideration as unlikely and yourself as a troll.
It’s not like they’re famously listed in one of the most read sections of the most published book of all time, lmao.
You can just say “I’m an intellectually lazy moron who started my nonsense with aggression and is now throwing a hissy fit because I can’t Google the text of Exodus.”
…said the little troll after referring the ssuper sspecial sseckrit translation that only it knows… Yeah, suck it, loser.
Lol, it’s not a secret, it’s just been lied about and you’re too lazy and ignorant to read the actual text of Exodus.
Good luck with that 👍
I was unaware the translation was this far off base. Can you give more about this? I love hearing about how bastardized the Bible has become from the ages of playing telephone.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 34&version=CEV
This is like the rambling of street person after a week long math binge. Like, are these a bunch of idioms that just lose meaning in translation? And what’s up with all the hate over yeast?
Yeah. It’s partly why I don’t care if those get posted!
Just insist on liturgical accuracy.