Jesus christ, what a stupid take lol. Just recently they tried to put Guaido in charge in Venezuela (who had support from Colombian paramilitary groups too). And let’s not forget how they took Evo down in Bolivia a few years ago over voting fraud allegations, which later turned out to be just statistical analysis mistakes. And they put that awful woman in charge who commited at least 2 massacres against protesters after taking power. And they are backing Milei and Bukele in Argentina and Salvador. And they are punishing Colombia financially for daring to pick Petro as president. And …
Don’t get me wrong, fuck Evo and Maduro for trying to stay in power forever. And Maduro for sure is a left wing dictator. But go fuck yourself with that propaganda, the USA can’t stop fucking with us latin americans. Educate yourself before talking.
Not everything that goes wrong in your part of the world is because la CIA. Educate yourself before voting and stop trying to blame your shortsightedness and corruption on everyone else.
Where did I say that? Nice strawman dude. I gave specific examples of USA intervening in latin america. If you disagree about any of the examples we can discuss them. But please don’t put words in my mouth.
With regard to the situation with Guaido in Venezuela, isn’t it true that the 2013 Venezuelan presidential election had a voter turnout of 79% and was extremely close? Whereas the 2018 election only had a voter turnout of 45% and Maduro was re-elected amidst widespread allegations of corruption and fraud. And for the upcoming 2024 election, multiple opposition candidates have been barred from running against Maduro.
Since 2010, Venezuela has been suffering a socioeconomic crisis under Nicolás Maduro and briefly under his predecessor Hugo Chávez as rampant crime, hyperinflation and shortages diminish the quality of life.[6][7] As a result of discontent with the government, the opposition was elected to hold the majority in the National Assembly for the first time since 1999 following the 2015 parliamentary election.[8] After the election, the lame duck National Assembly—with a pro-government majority—filled the Supreme Tribunal of Justice, the highest court in Venezuela, with Maduro allies. The tribunal stripped three opposition lawmakers of their National Assembly seats in early 2016, citing alleged “irregularities” in their elections, thereby preventing an opposition supermajority which would have been able to challenge President Maduro.
The tribunal approved several actions by Maduro and granted him more powers in 2017.[8] As protests mounted against Maduro, he called for a constituent assembly that would draft a new constitution to replace the 1999 Venezuela Constitution created under Chávez. Many countries considered these actions a bid by Maduro to stay in power indefinitely,[11] and over 40 countries stated that they would not recognize the 2017 Constituent National Assembly (ANC). The Democratic Unity Roundtable—the opposition to the incumbent ruling party—boycotted the election, saying that the ANC was “a trick to keep [the incumbent ruling party] in power”.[14] Since the opposition did not participate in the election, the incumbent Great Patriotic Pole, dominated by the United Socialist Party of Venezuela, won almost all seats in the assembly by default.[15] On 8 August 2017, the ANC declared itself to be the government branch with supreme power in Venezuela, banning the opposition-led National Assembly from performing actions that would interfere with the assembly while continuing to pass measures in “support and solidarity” with President Maduro, effectively stripping the National Assembly of all its powers.
And I understand that you’re not supporting Maduro. But if the US is trying to support free and fair elections which Maduro is suppressing, than they are essentially doing the opposite of supporting a fascist coup. I unfortunately don’t have time to unpack each of your scenarios.
You’re not wrong in saying that the US has frequently intervened in Latin America for the past 200 years, right up until the present. But intervening to protect democracy is very different from intervening to support fascism, and failing to distinguish between the two is bordering on misinformation.
Think of it this way, if it weren’t the US intervening, it’d be another foreign power. And the US primarily intervenes just to keep capitalism flowing, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad. Panama has done quite well as a result of the US intervening and building the Canal. And Latin America has largely avoided genocides and wars of the scale that we have seen in other developing countries in Asia and Africa.
If you want to be taken seriously and have a fruitful discussion, don’t start with “what a stupid take lol”. Start with something respectful, anything, I’m sure you can come up with it yourself.
Oh, so you guys get to vote for politicians that keep fucking our countries over. And you guys can go online to repeat your stupid propaganda. But it doesn’t matter because I wasn’t 100% polite. wtf is wrong with you people?
Really, if you want to have a discussion you can’t go insulting people. They won’t listen. Do I call you comments “stupid takes” and expect you to react well ? no ? well, same for anyone else.
I called it a stupid take because it was a stupid take. I’m sorry the truth hurts. And to be honest, I’m not interested in having a conversation here. I just wanted to point out how stupid that comment was so people who are actually insterested in being informed can start reading about these topics.
And finally, fuck you too as a treat hahahaha. Seriously, what are you contributing to the conversation here? Because too me you are just distracting us with your moral superiority while ignoring the very serious issues I was mentioning. Downvote me for not being polite, who gives a fuck about fake internet points. As long as some people reading my comment actually go and read about this I don’t give a fuck hahahaha.
Not you, the original comment I was replying too. I don’t understand why you think denying the harmful shit being done by the USA is polite while calling them out is inpolite?
I am sorry, I am autistic. I don’t get most social cues. Are you sure you were talking about me ? I don’t think most things are about me, but then again I have no clue, I couldn’t read a room if my life depended on it
Ok, I’m going to assume you are honestly confused here. Though I’m autistic too dude, please don’t use that as an excuse. Your problem here is reading comprehension, not autism. There are no social cues to miss here.
The only thing in my comments about you is the fact that no, I don’t think I should be polite when someone is saying stupid and harmful shit like the original comment (not you) was saying. They are being rude with their actions, so they don’t get any respect from my words, period. And you too, to a lesser extent. Even if you don’t realize it, your comments boil down to “you may be right, but you were rude so I’m going to act as if you were wrong”. This is a harmful position to take, and it’s the position all these stupid centrists take to justify doing nothing and maintaining the status quo.
Everything else is not about you obviously hahaha. I mean, you didn’t really say anything worth discussing beyond ponting out how inpolite I was hahaha.
Jesus christ, what a stupid take lol. Just recently they tried to put Guaido in charge in Venezuela (who had support from Colombian paramilitary groups too). And let’s not forget how they took Evo down in Bolivia a few years ago over voting fraud allegations, which later turned out to be just statistical analysis mistakes. And they put that awful woman in charge who commited at least 2 massacres against protesters after taking power. And they are backing Milei and Bukele in Argentina and Salvador. And they are punishing Colombia financially for daring to pick Petro as president. And …
Don’t get me wrong, fuck Evo and Maduro for trying to stay in power forever. And Maduro for sure is a left wing dictator. But go fuck yourself with that propaganda, the USA can’t stop fucking with us latin americans. Educate yourself before talking.
Not everything that goes wrong in your part of the world is because la CIA. Educate yourself before voting and stop trying to blame your shortsightedness and corruption on everyone else.
Where did I say that? Nice strawman dude. I gave specific examples of USA intervening in latin america. If you disagree about any of the examples we can discuss them. But please don’t put words in my mouth.
With regard to the situation with Guaido in Venezuela, isn’t it true that the 2013 Venezuelan presidential election had a voter turnout of 79% and was extremely close? Whereas the 2018 election only had a voter turnout of 45% and Maduro was re-elected amidst widespread allegations of corruption and fraud. And for the upcoming 2024 election, multiple opposition candidates have been barred from running against Maduro.
And I understand that you’re not supporting Maduro. But if the US is trying to support free and fair elections which Maduro is suppressing, than they are essentially doing the opposite of supporting a fascist coup. I unfortunately don’t have time to unpack each of your scenarios.
You’re not wrong in saying that the US has frequently intervened in Latin America for the past 200 years, right up until the present. But intervening to protect democracy is very different from intervening to support fascism, and failing to distinguish between the two is bordering on misinformation.
Think of it this way, if it weren’t the US intervening, it’d be another foreign power. And the US primarily intervenes just to keep capitalism flowing, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad. Panama has done quite well as a result of the US intervening and building the Canal. And Latin America has largely avoided genocides and wars of the scale that we have seen in other developing countries in Asia and Africa.
If you want to be taken seriously and have a fruitful discussion, don’t start with “what a stupid take lol”. Start with something respectful, anything, I’m sure you can come up with it yourself.
A disrespect opening isn’t great for dialogue, but refusing to engage at all is infinitely worse.
fuck your noise. no.
There is no “fruitful discussion” to be had. Some tosser was outright wrong, and got schooled. No rebuttal is needed or wanted.
Take your white knighting or cucking or whatever it is you’re doing that gets you off, and go.
I’m sorry I am not familiar with these terms, but I will look them up.
so, cucking is apparently “a term used by the alt-right to attack the masculinity of an opponent”… were you attacking my masculinity ?
no. I was attacking your need to feel like a big man and get your ego stroked.
wow ! that’s so me
Oh, so you guys get to vote for politicians that keep fucking our countries over. And you guys can go online to repeat your stupid propaganda. But it doesn’t matter because I wasn’t 100% polite. wtf is wrong with you people?
Really, if you want to have a discussion you can’t go insulting people. They won’t listen. Do I call you comments “stupid takes” and expect you to react well ? no ? well, same for anyone else.
I called it a stupid take because it was a stupid take. I’m sorry the truth hurts. And to be honest, I’m not interested in having a conversation here. I just wanted to point out how stupid that comment was so people who are actually insterested in being informed can start reading about these topics.
And finally, fuck you too as a treat hahahaha. Seriously, what are you contributing to the conversation here? Because too me you are just distracting us with your moral superiority while ignoring the very serious issues I was mentioning. Downvote me for not being polite, who gives a fuck about fake internet points. As long as some people reading my comment actually go and read about this I don’t give a fuck hahahaha.
hahahaha
I’m not sure what propaganda you think I’m repeating btw
Not you, the original comment I was replying too. I don’t understand why you think denying the harmful shit being done by the USA is polite while calling them out is inpolite?
Denying ? I’m not denying anything. You’re taking me for someone else. Mind the usernames
My man, you seriously need to improve your reading comprehension. Not everything is about you. Or are you just trolling?
I am sorry, I am autistic. I don’t get most social cues. Are you sure you were talking about me ? I don’t think most things are about me, but then again I have no clue, I couldn’t read a room if my life depended on it
Apologies for my english
Ok, I’m going to assume you are honestly confused here. Though I’m autistic too dude, please don’t use that as an excuse. Your problem here is reading comprehension, not autism. There are no social cues to miss here.
The only thing in my comments about you is the fact that no, I don’t think I should be polite when someone is saying stupid and harmful shit like the original comment (not you) was saying. They are being rude with their actions, so they don’t get any respect from my words, period. And you too, to a lesser extent. Even if you don’t realize it, your comments boil down to “you may be right, but you were rude so I’m going to act as if you were wrong”. This is a harmful position to take, and it’s the position all these stupid centrists take to justify doing nothing and maintaining the status quo.
Everything else is not about you obviously hahaha. I mean, you didn’t really say anything worth discussing beyond ponting out how inpolite I was hahaha.
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