The president often had a weak, raspy voice during his first debate against Trump, in what Democrats had hoped would be a turning point in the race.

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    It’s not vague though. Their paid legal representative articulated their position under oath in court. I quoted it, you moved the goalposts and said I needed the long-form version like some birther. I posted a link to that and now you claim I have to quote DWS herself saying “we can disregard the charter when we want to, mwahahahaha!” in order to satisfy you. The previous rounds of goalpost moving and the accompanying gaslighting indicate that you intend to dismiss whatever I provide you and have since the beginning.

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      It’s not vague though.

      It is absolutely vague because it is a generalization with no specifics at all. Without any actual quotes, it is completely impossible to judge your claim. We would absolutely need to know exactly who said something and exactly what they said, not just to know if there is anything at all there but also to know how serious of a problem it would be. Specific details if they did actually exist would show us not only a smoking gun but who fired the gun and how much damage they did with the gun and if any other people carried guns. Those details would be enormously important. It’s true that if a former DNC chairman had incriminating quotes it would only directly implicate her. But a reporter would certainly want to ask the present DNC chairman if they agreed. And if the wrong answer was given, they would need to be fired.

      I quoted it,

      You gave absolutely no quotes from anybody in the DNC or their employee. Vague accusations are worthless

      you moved the goalposts and said I needed the long-form version like some birthe

      No ‘goalpost’ was moved. OF COURSE we need the specific details to judge whether vague claims are valid or not. We would absolutely need to know exactly who said something and exactly what they said. Any idiot can go around making vague claims. If actual incriminating quotes existed then how come Putin’s propaganda never provided them to you in all this time? With all the people like you that are desperate to find actual evidence do you really think that if any actual quotes existed – and which would be available in the public record for anybody to find – that Putin’s 50 billion dollars spent on intelligence services would not have already found those quotes and already made them widely available on the internet to people who are extremely eager to believe The Narrative?

      I told you before. Find the details to prove your case. Or waste time looking for quotes that do not exist because if they did exist, then not only would you already know about them, but everybody else would already know about them. I would already know about them. But look at it this way. If you did find actual incriminating quotes, that would make you a huge hero to all the people on the internet who want that incriminating evidence, and which Putin’s $50 billion intelligence service was not unable to find.

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        You are determined to ignore any proof I give you. You have never argued in good faith and never will. I gave you a direct quote from the DNC’s lawyer, backing up what I said, and you made up excuses for ignoring it, with the heaviest dose of gaslighting I’ve ever seen.

        The only way to satisfy you is to lie and say you’re right.

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          I gave you a direct quote from the DNC’s lawyer

          WTF LMFAO! Dude you totally just now tried to 100% gaslight me hypocrite. You didn’t give me any quote at all from the DNC’s lawyer. This gaslight attempt was pathetic and lame. Gaslighting does not work, and certainly not on me.

          The only way to satisfy you is to lie and say you’re right.

          It’s no lie whatsoever to admit your assertion that Dems could replace Biden against his will is not the slightest bit true. Everybody on TV are all saying the exact opposite. I’m supposed to believe some clueless guy on the internet over what the entire world is saying? You’re a textook case of a Dunning-Kruger person.

          Your idea that the DNC chooses the candidate is the exact Orwellian opposite of reality. Whoever gets the most delegates and becomes the candidate chooses the membership for the next 4 years.

          You also have 3 gigantic misunderstandings here about the DNC.

          1. You are mistaking the DNC for a single person with monolithic views. The DNC is not a person. It does not operate as a person. It is an organization of hundreds of current members and tens of thousands of former members.

          2. You are thinking of the DNC as a single binary person in hugely simplistic terms who is either A (good) or B (evil). Even if the DNC WAS an actual person, no real person is like that.

          3. You are thinking of the DNC as a single binary person with permanent views that can never change. There is almost a complete turnover of membership every 4 years. Hundreds of new people every 4 years. Most of them have no idea what some particular former member thought or did not think 8 years ago. It’s totally irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is what the charter rules say.

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            Jesus Christ, this thread is ten days old and you’re responding to something three days old. Be condescending and wrong at someone else.