I’m simply asking this question because of Lemmygrad.ml existing, and that there isn’t a far-right equivalent of it yet. If Lemmygrad has any standing for its right to exist under free speech, where is the line drawn for other extremist political ideologies? If Holodomor skepticism is allowed, then what stops Holocaust skepticism? (as it is generally accepted the Holodomor was man-made). I’m simply wondering what gives far-left politics a right to promote such extremist views in the Fediverse, when their far-right counterparts would be Defederated in minutes.

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    Eh… I have met enough far-left authoritarians who are openly racist, anti-lgbtq, and who advocated for violence against people solely based on their family background that I don’t think the extreme right has a monopoly on hate.

    I don’t think that level of intolerance should be tolerated, regardless of whether someone is on the right or left of the spectrum.

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      What does “far-left” mean to you, then? If someone with views entirely counter to progressive ideas just calls themselves “far-left” while spewing hateful garbage, do you just accept that they are part of the left?

      Politics isn’t team sports. Your political association is defined by your views, not by what side you claim to be on.

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        Then it’s just a “no true Scotsman” argument.

        There are plenty of examples of leftist governments who were openly hostile to minorities.

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      You can’t be a fascist and not be bigoted. You can be a marxist-leninist and not as a rule hate minorities. I encourage you to go to lemmygrad yourself, see if you find any hatred of minorities being tolerated there. You just won’t.

      I can coexist in a space with them, they’re not going to start calling for the genocide of minority groups. They will deny that genocides have happened, which to be clear is bad but there’s a fundamental difference between “these events didnt happen” and a fascist saying “let’s mass murder all the minorities because they’re biologically impure”. I can coexist in a space with one, with the other my murder or the murder of any other marginalized group is as a rule being outright advocated for.

      No matter how hard you try tankies even at their worst are not fascists. To try and equate the two is beyond ridiculous. You can point out that some historical regimes have done a lot of horrible things, fair enough. But ideologically marxist-leninists are not comparable on any level to fascists.

      I can not, and will never under any circumstances tolerate the prescience of fascism to any degree.

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        OP mentioned Holodomor, so I’ll just point out that ML’s generally don’t deny that there was a famine, or even that it was exacerbated by bad policy. The specific point of contention is whether it was intentional.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question

        Even historians debate this, so I don’t think it’s reasonable to characterize it as “genocide denial”.

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      I have met enough far-left authoritarians who are openly racist, anti-lgbtq, and who advocated for violence against people solely based on their family background that I don’t think the extreme right has a monopoly on hate.

      Yeah, they’re banned from lemmygrad. Rule 5:

      1. No capitalist apologia / anti-communism.
      1. No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.
      1. Be respectful. This is a safe space where all comrades should feel welcome, this includes a warning against uncritical sectarianism.
      1. No porn or sexually explicit content (even if marked NSFW).
      1. No right-deviationists (patsocs, nazbols, strasserists, duginists, etc).