Do you think civilians would die if Ukraine surrendered? Based on what evidence?

No, they are not. Israel is though. These things have definitions for a reason. If Europe and Russia want to have a war, they can go right ahead. America needs to stay out of it though. Fuck their wars. I would happily dodge a draft, as would most people I know. America needs to learn to make money by building things, instead of by blowing them up. No war with Russia, no war with China, ever. If Congress wants a war, it better be drafting every single child of a congressman first. Otherwise Americans are not going to show up.

You said we need the grain there. We will still be able to get the grain that’s there. How’s that appeasement?

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Hamas not starting it earlier? Gaza wasn’t capable of it prior to 10/7. 10/7 happened because Israel got complacent and assumed the “animals” they were caging weren’t intelligent at all. Israel assumed they had all given up.

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By influence, I meant militarily.

I was just using Israel as an example, I dont think Russia even would invade Israel right now if capable. Imagine if the eastern med was controlled by an enemy of Israel though. They could actually affect the genocide. That’s why sea power is so vital.

There is no chance an invading army/navy could get through Constantinople without control of the black sea. It’s the ultimate choke point. It forces any would be invader to come at Russia through turkey.

America is not the hero, and so the reason they are arming Ukraine is entirely out of self interest for their capitalists. America wants to prevent Russian southern stability, because if somebody is trying to come at Russia through Constantinople, it’ll be America (or a hired warlord, more likely). Russia having useful ports hinders America’s power to meaningfully sanction those they dislike. Cuba, for instance, can’t trade with anyone in Europe, due to American sanctions. If Russia could trade with them more effectively, that weakens the American stranglehold. Right now the world needs a check on America a lot more than it does preventing Putin taking control black sea ports.

So they aren’t solving them then? Why do we have to pay for their missiles? We can’t afford to fight their war for them.

That just sounds like typical late stage capitalism, lol. But I have nothing against defense spending. America has very little defense spending though. The thing we call “defense” is very obviously 90% offense. America should spend our money helping our own people, not screwing around in wars half way around the world.

Because nobody in Gaza is naive enough to believe Israel would actually do as they say. Israel has been steadily taking their land for decades, it’s already over half gone. 2050 is an optimistic guess.

I don’t really see a distinction between Crimea and Donbass/Donetsk. To me it’s the same placeAnd supposedly the people of those regions voted to leave Ukraine, right? So that essentially makes Russia equivalent to France in the American revolution.

It’d be great if no one ever invaded anywhere else, but it won’t happen. Best we can do is resolve it as peacefully as possible. I see democracy as the same as simulated war: one side has 20,000 men, one has 15,000, let’s just assume the bigger army will win and skip the war altogether. Russia has a bigger army, we should just call the war and be done with it. There’s no reason global politics have to adhere to precedent.

I’m sure he doesn’t believe it, but he has to act as if he believes it. This is part of that act.

Oh huh, I was sure Israel and Palestine were next to turkey, lol.

That’s my point though, you can’t plan to move a ship out of the black sea. It’s useful purely defensively.

I am aware Russia sold Alaska to us, but very few Russians ever lived there. It was never meaningfully russian.

My point about America doing coups, etc is that America is now acting like they’re the heros fighting Russian evil, when it’s literally just to have someone to sell weapons to. It’s just another way the oligarchs are stealing our money from us.

It’s not though. It’s strategic importance is purely defensive. It is useful for influencing places that border the black sea. It’s completely irrelevant to an attack on anywhere else

Why would it be millions of one side but not the other?

Genocide is awful. If Russia were doing that in Ukraine, I’d be all for a war over it. This is a war over a couple ports Russia wants. Completely irrelevant to america, and not our problem.

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