It’s hard to get that goodwill back from voters.

Agreed. Most of these people don’t understand lots of people still remember the ways Democrats fucked us over during Obama’s term.

• No public option in the ACA
• Kid gloves for the financial sector while people were losing their homes
• Huge surveillance expansion

And more.

As opposed to you who in no way benefit from Biden being re-elected?

Down voters be like “How dare you know what you’re talking about!”

You’re literally doing an impression of moderate democrat voters. You know that right? They’re the ones getting everything they want and they’re regularly used as the reason why Biden can’t do X, Y, or Z because he’d lose their votes.

This is pure projection.

and then a dem to replace him in 2028

HRC will win the primaries in 2028 and we’ll be having the same argument we’re having now. Pro-corporate trash isn’t doing the trick.

You mean the bombs Biden shipped to Israel? Did the sharpie make them extra deadly or something?

Lol bud all Biden’s “resistance” to Bibi is going to disappear the moment the election results come in. And you’ll still defend Biden anyway.

Funny how often Democrats try to do things that will definitely fail but then with things they actually can change there’s always some bullshit excuse.

We don’t have medicare for all or something similar because Democrats refused to make it happen during Obama’s term. That combined with the kid gloves they took to the financial sector during the financial crisis disillusioned a lot of people. Most Democrat politicians are corrupt pro-corporate trash.

is the one that is gonna be the razor’s edge on this stuff. Reasonable people will vote for Biden

Funny, because whenever we say “Biden should have done Y not X” you all say “If he hadn’t then moderate democrats and some Republicans won’t vote for him.” They vote for him because they get what they want. Yet somehow we’re unreasonable when we refuse to vote for him when we don’t get what we want.

You’re trying to hold leftists to a higher standard and it’s bullshit.

We need more Democrats in Congress for that. A third of the Senate and all of the House are up for election in November. Attendance at the polls is crucial for down-ballot candidates just the same as presidential.

What guarantees can you give us they won’t “fumble” the ball like they did during Obama’s presidency? If they do will you finally acknowledge the fucking problem?

This is literally how moderate Democrat voters are and you all tell us to cater to them in every single election.

No we call you that because you spend all your energy fighting us instead of working to rid the Democrat party of pro-corporate trash.

Because they’re fucking bread crumbs. What you want us to hold a parade over credit card fees while housing, education, healthcare and food continue to become more expensive and Biden’s cabinet works to suppress wages? Neato.

You know everyone can read the conversation. I never discouraged anyone from voting. You’re making up lies. You are a liar.

You are not eligible to vote. You are advocating for people to not vote.

You’re just spewing lies because you don’t like what I have to say. You’re pathetic. Whatever you accuse me of I’m gonna accuse you of the same thing right back.

You aren’t eligible to vote. And you’re trying to dissuade other people from voting.

Where are those people? I don’t see them on Facebook, LinkedIn, Reddit or here. Millions of people voted for him in the 2020 primaries. Are they ashamed of their choice? They should be.

which you probably aren’t eligible for anyway

In that case neither are you.

I wasn’t crying about being attacked. I was pointing out it’s a bit absurd to attack/judge/whatever you want to call this people like me in order to cater to people who would abandon Joe Biden in the general election if he stops supporting a genocide.

You’re yelling at the wrong people.

Refusing to accept the realities of our voting system as an excuse to throw your vote out the window isn’t noble, it’s ignorant.

Okay. What are you going to do about it? You want my vote and you can’t have it for free. Work for it.

Yes, liberals will not call themselves liberals. Much like NIMBYS would never call themselves NIMBYS. Especially ones trying to convince leftists to vote for a procorporate genocide supporting trash of a candidate.

Not popular enough.

Ok go be judgemental to liberal Jews and lapsed Republicans.