Do you realise most Palestinians living in gaza prefer an even more radical political party ? Hamas is progressive for Palestine.
Hamas has at least sometimes opened up to a two state solution. Most Palestinians would prefer that Israel disappeared.
None of that means that civilians should die or that war crimes and annexation should be committed by the state of Israel. But it’s just plain false to say that the actions of Hamas are unsupported by the Palestinians. Just like there are plenty of genocidal maniacs in Israel there are plenty of genocidal maniacs in Palestine.
That said Israel is the occupying force, they should be held to a higher standard than Hamas and so far they have failed, managing to kill even more civilians.
Edit: wrote west bank instead of Gaza, brain fart.
Do you realise most Palestinians living in the west bank prefer an even more radical political party ? Hamas is progressive for Palestine.
This is the exact opposite of the truth.
Hamas was formed because they believed the Abbas-led government was too secular and willing to work with Israel. Hamas wants to create a hardline Muslim caliphate.
I gave the polls, you can look at the Fatah party to see how popular the Abbas led government is. Historically you are right, but right now Palestinians are not looking for peaceful solutions. I think Israel made them understand that they would be slowly annexed.
Edit: also I’d recommend reading the two state section of the Wikipedia article on Hamas.
I mean, at this point, they don’t really have any self determination, so it doesn’t change anything.
In the end, all this conflict is going to end up with Israel taking even more land away from the Gaza strip regardless of how many Palestinians are further slummed into the south, and the 24/7 news cycle will make a transient hub-bub about it, and then the new borders will become the status quo.
Nobody can vote in Gaza. But saying that Hamas was created and financed by Israel when their ideas are clearly popular is ridiculous.
You can say that Israel caused this mess by annexing Palestine. By putting an effective regime of Apartheid. But saying that Hamas or their actions are not popular among the general population is false.
If this aint a cassus belli I dont know what it is.
In any case any organization that starts a war like that needs to be destroyed. There is no other way. If hammas isnt destroyed they wont hesitate to kill 3000 in a few years.
So many people seem to have no ability to retain memories. Hamas calls for ceasefire in 2014., uses that time to rearm and relaunch another strike on Israel while ceasefire is still going on. Hamas calls for ceasefire in 2023., this time Israel refuses and everyone goes…aaaah murderers. What the actual fuck people?
I didn’t say Hamas are good guys. But the idea that Hamas doesn’t want peace or that peace with Hamas is impossible is now nothing more than a bold-faced Israeli lie.
They would if it would get other Arab nations into the war and result in the destruction of Israel.
The problem a lot of people seem to have with this conflict is they want it to be very simple, Palestine existing in a vacuum where they’re just trying to live normal lives… That’s not really the ground reality, it’s a nexus of complex bullshit with crazy influences from all sides and centuries long power struggles.
It sucks for people living there but it’s not a reality we can hand wave away
They’re a violent resistance group. Doesn’t mean they wanna continue fighting indefinitely. Not defending the murder of civilians, but the implication that they don’t want peace is wrong.
Read their fundamental documents. Hamas wants peace and a sovereign Palestinian state where Jews and Arabs can thrive peacefully among each other. Unfortunately the Zionist Entity has a different meaning of peace where all Palestinians regardless of being Muslims, Christians or Jews are ethnically cleansed and their lands settled by White Settlers.
Islamic supporters have utilized a version stating “Palestine is Islamic from the river to the sea”, with certain Islamic scholars have declared the Mahdi - a redemptive apocalyptic figure central to Islamic eschatology - will declare “Jerusalem is Arab Muslim, and Palestine — all of it, from the river to the sea — is Arab Muslim.”[22] [23]
They literally are not. Sorry that reality doesn’t match your worldview.
Israel has offered to give significant land their settlements currently exist on in hopes of a 2 state solution, and Palestinian leadership continually tells them to get fucked.
Anyone know what Hamas says? Do they say they want peace between them and Israel?
No they think Israel needs to be obliterated
That’s the biggest barrier to peace then. The whole article’s a waste of time without that bit.
Yes, the biggest barrier to peace is one militant group that Bibi kept funding, and not the giant state of Israel that has now killed 7k Palestinians.
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Do you realise most Palestinians living in gaza prefer an even more radical political party ? Hamas is progressive for Palestine.
Hamas has at least sometimes opened up to a two state solution. Most Palestinians would prefer that Israel disappeared.
None of that means that civilians should die or that war crimes and annexation should be committed by the state of Israel. But it’s just plain false to say that the actions of Hamas are unsupported by the Palestinians. Just like there are plenty of genocidal maniacs in Israel there are plenty of genocidal maniacs in Palestine.
That said Israel is the occupying force, they should be held to a higher standard than Hamas and so far they have failed, managing to kill even more civilians.
Edit: wrote west bank instead of Gaza, brain fart.
And what is that more radical political party?
Palestinian Islamic Jihad which polled at 72% against 43% for Hamas.
That said Hamas is becoming more popular now that they have caused his mayhem. They may become once again the most popular party.
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
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I can’t find those numbers in the link you posted. Can you show me with a screenshot?
Shared that last one as it was more recent but I was citing this one from memory:
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/sites/default/files/2023-10/Screenshot 2023-10-10 175617.png
Hamas’s popularity or not is irrelevant, since the IDF has stated they are going to eliminate Hamas entirely, and is absolutely poised to do that.
Whether you agree with it or not, Hamas is unlikely to exist by 2024.
This is the exact opposite of the truth.
Hamas was formed because they believed the Abbas-led government was too secular and willing to work with Israel. Hamas wants to create a hardline Muslim caliphate.
I gave the polls, you can look at the Fatah party to see how popular the Abbas led government is. Historically you are right, but right now Palestinians are not looking for peaceful solutions. I think Israel made them understand that they would be slowly annexed.
Edit: also I’d recommend reading the two state section of the Wikipedia article on Hamas.
This is incredibly unfortunate for them
I mean, at this point, they don’t really have any self determination, so it doesn’t change anything.
In the end, all this conflict is going to end up with Israel taking even more land away from the Gaza strip regardless of how many Palestinians are further slummed into the south, and the 24/7 news cycle will make a transient hub-bub about it, and then the new borders will become the status quo.
Do you realize half the people in gaza are children? They cant even vote. So statements like yours are absolutely senseless.
Nobody can vote in Gaza. But saying that Hamas was created and financed by Israel when their ideas are clearly popular is ridiculous.
You can say that Israel caused this mess by annexing Palestine. By putting an effective regime of Apartheid. But saying that Hamas or their actions are not popular among the general population is false.
This is because Hamas ended elections.
Yes
Aside from Israel admitting they let Hamas rise to power to eliminate their enemies without actually being linked to them… Sure I guess?
It’s well known that Netanyahu wanted the secular faction weakened and had funded Hamas to do it. The Mossad also begged Qatar to fund Hamas.
When Palestinians see their children and friends being blown to peices, you must understand they will flock to whatever protects them.
You should do some reading before going off, because Bibi literally funded Hamas. Look it up yourself.
When I look that claim up I find people on social media endlessly repeating it. Without a source.
They want illegal Israel settler to fuck off and respect the green line and not oppress them or something.
Ohh wait, that’s not Hamas, that’s Fatah of Palestine Authority, which Israel in respond is to oppress them even harder.
Yes, actually. They changed their charter in 2017 to reflect that.
They want peace, so they invaded Israel and murdered 1,000 people.
Makes sense
If this aint a cassus belli I dont know what it is.
In any case any organization that starts a war like that needs to be destroyed. There is no other way. If hammas isnt destroyed they wont hesitate to kill 3000 in a few years.
So many people seem to have no ability to retain memories. Hamas calls for ceasefire in 2014., uses that time to rearm and relaunch another strike on Israel while ceasefire is still going on. Hamas calls for ceasefire in 2023., this time Israel refuses and everyone goes…aaaah murderers. What the actual fuck people?
Did Israel stop destroying Palestinian homes after 2014?
Did the ceasefire include lifting the blockade? If no then it’s meaningless.
This observation is almost meaningless. No one is defending Hamas.
This person was literally saying that Hamas is seeking peace.
Did you like, not read the comments or what’s up?
I didn’t say Hamas are good guys. But the idea that Hamas doesn’t want peace or that peace with Hamas is impossible is now nothing more than a bold-faced Israeli lie.
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1717359090576322586?t=JHYmtvwLySR9VnQ0pNCeQQ&s=19
Plus you know the 1500 people they murdered and 125,000 they displaced.
Hamas doesn’t want peace. Hamas was genocide against Israel.
Peace with Hamas is literally impossible. They are a terror organization pretending to be a government.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099
When did Hamas displace people?
Also of course Hamas doesn’t want Israel to launch a large-scale operation into the Gaza strip. Nobody with two brain cells does.
No, Hamas wants genocide against Israelis and to set up a Muslim caliphate.
They steal money from the Palestinian people. They’re thieves, murderers, and rapists, and view all Palestinians as expendable
They would if it would get other Arab nations into the war and result in the destruction of Israel.
The problem a lot of people seem to have with this conflict is they want it to be very simple, Palestine existing in a vacuum where they’re just trying to live normal lives… That’s not really the ground reality, it’s a nexus of complex bullshit with crazy influences from all sides and centuries long power struggles.
It sucks for people living there but it’s not a reality we can hand wave away
They’re a violent resistance group. Doesn’t mean they wanna continue fighting indefinitely. Not defending the murder of civilians, but the implication that they don’t want peace is wrong.
That’s an absurd statement.
By the same reasoning, the Nazis wanted peace.
Read their fundamental documents. Hamas wants peace and a sovereign Palestinian state where Jews and Arabs can thrive peacefully among each other. Unfortunately the Zionist Entity has a different meaning of peace where all Palestinians regardless of being Muslims, Christians or Jews are ethnically cleansed and their lands settled by White Settlers.
You mean the documents where they call for murdering all the Jews “from the river to the sea”?
Does that sentence contain any call for murder? No.
Israel wanted to be Israel from the river the sea but you don’t see people batting an eye over that.
Hamas literally just murdered, raped, and kidnapped a shitload of people. That’s what started this whole series of events.
So yes, yes it does contain a call for murder.
Hamas isn’t even in the fucking sentence.
This is reflected in Hamas’s charters.
Yep, confirmed trolling.
“Am I out of touch? No the guy with citations must be trolling”
Oh yeah “Arab nation from the river to the sea” sounds very peaceful and totally not like genocide.
Does “Israel from the river to the sea” not sound genocidal then?
Nobody is calling for that
What do you think settlers are doing? Aren’t they trying to take over Palestinian areas?
No
Lol okay.
They literally are not. Sorry that reality doesn’t match your worldview.
Israel has offered to give significant land their settlements currently exist on in hopes of a 2 state solution, and Palestinian leadership continually tells them to get fucked.
That part of their charter implies Islamic government is the ONLY way for peace in the region. Islam also has rules for those who don’t convert.
Edit: to be clear their laws for those who don’t convert are dogshit.
You can pretend what you want. They clarified it themselves. It means they want to cleanse the land of all Jews.
I’m not pretending, their laws for non Muslims are shit.
There are, yeah, and they’re pretty tolerant of other religions (especially Judaism and Christianity).
They aren’t tolerant of other religions, the fact they even have rules for non Muslims is telling.