Even tho you ignore the fact that hamas was elected in 2004 and half the civilians currently alive in gaza are children who would of course not voted before they were born, how do you justify the explosion in settler terrorism in the west bank since gaza has been sieged? How do you justify the bombing of civilians in the west bank if theres no hamas there? Also if i gave you a warning to evacuate your home or die im sure you wouldnt leave so why should gazans?
Your premise that there is land which is reserved for arabs is false. If there is empty land Jews can live there. I don’t care for the idea that arabs live freely in Israel with equal rights while in the west bank, or Jordan, or Iraq Jews cannot live there, have equal rights and in fact would be killed.
You have had 75 yrs against Israel legitimacy and Israel has to take steps for security. Israel is tiny. Why can’t Jordan, which is a part of Palestine give land to the Palestinians or the state of Israel? Why was the entire land of Jordan given to ‘the heshimite family’ who are not even native to the land ?
It is clear to anyone clear thinking person that islamic outlook is fascist and has been at open war against Jews and non Muslims for decades and centuries. And that they have been defeated, are the losers, and now peddle this pathetic propaganda and it takes root because of weak minded people whose thoughts are based on childish slogans that are recited in unison, have you read 1984?
This is why the media is so highly censored in these places, that they scream over any debate, they are violent fascists, relying on censorship and propaganda, using any means to advance their idiotic religious agenda.
Empty land? My man, they’re literally kicking people out of their homes and moving settlers in, there’s videos and reports from multiple sources. It’s not the vast empty plains of the wild west after the natives died to disease.
Vox did a great report a while back where they talked to a guy who was moved into a house a family was kicked out and his justifications for moving in and the struggles he faces in the neighborhood. The focus though was the family who got kicked out and their efforts to get it back.
I’d link the video but I don’t wanna link YouTube and I’m sure you could find these kind of reports if you wanted to.
In the 18 and 1900s Palestine was largely empty , the Jews a state on some land and the 1948 partition gave the Jews mainly vacant land. The pal position has been there can be no Jewish state in any form
All throughout the 18 and 1900s the arabs warred against the Jews and kicked them out of their homes in Hebron , in Jerusalem, these court cases talking about who owns which house are obscure. And it is possible that some pals are unjustly kicked out of homes, I don’t know. But the broader conflict is that the pals are Islamic fascist who do not think Jews should be able to live anywhere or have a state anywhere and fight in any despicable way they can against it. So maybe sometimes a pal gets treated unfairly but for every 1 of these cases there are a hundred cases where Jews have had land stolen, like the history of Hebron and what happened in the 30s. And there are many cases where Arab claims are upheld by Israel, they are all over Jerusalem.
They don’t have to tell them to evacuate, hamas attacked and started a war, there’s a war, they’re not tied to a post.
There is no conceivable way that there wouldn’t be a war after what Hamas did.
And you can use the typical pal trope of what about what Israel did before… And the fact of the matter is if you want to trace this conflict to it’s genesis its that pals follow a fascist Islamic ideology which is opposed to any Jewish state.of any form and no Jewish presence anywhere in the land. They are fascist. They have launched war and terrorists attacks , have been defeated and restrained and their only recourse is to hide behind children and play the victim, yell slogans to affect weak minded people.
The Jews have always been willing to live in peace, live with a Palestinian state, live with arabs in the state of Israel. The Muslims have openly opposed any peace with Jews. Jews are the natives of the land and the Muslims have said even if an area is completely abandoned, a swamp or a desert, that Jews cannot be there, they are ok with Muslims from any other part of the world being there, they are ok with no one there, but not Jews who are the natives of the land. They are fascist. Imagine caring about the ‘character of the land’ and seeking to exclude Jews… It is a mosque built on top of the Jewish temple, Islam is the occupier. You see the fascist Muslims fight like this against the Jews as well as many other people in many countries, you are reflexive and weak minded if you are sympathetic to them when they complain about losing the wars they start, hiding behind children for propagana
Are you a woman lady autumn? Do you have any idea what it’s like to be a woman in a fascist islamic regime? That in Iran and Gaza they kill women who don’t wear their head scarfs, will kill them if they talk to a man, what do you think their marriages are like? They are misogynistic and it’s no wonder they have such an easy time recruiting terrorists
Children never deserve to be murdered. Ever. No matter by whom or for what reason. I don’t have any response to the rampant amount of Islamophobia in general displayed here. Not all Muslims are violent misogynists. Innocent civilians who have done no wrong should never be murdered under any circumstances.
Murder is deliberately targeting, it is a war crime, it is what Hamas did, it is what Nazis did.
When terrorists hide behind civilians and civilians are killed inadvertently in the midst of a war it is called collateral damage, they are not intentionally targeted and it is not Anwar crime. Again hamas is the war criminal hiding behind them.
In every war civilians die because of collateral damage, in WW2, the civil war, every war. The difference is hamas targets children and hides behind them, Israel takes steps to avoid civilian casualties
No, no, no. Throwing a fucking bomb randomly into a civilian neighborhood is not collateral damage. The civilians are the direct damage. Starving children and depriving them of water and healthcare is murder.
You’re deliberately misrepresenting every single action taken by the IDF.
No I’m not, the IDF targets hamas, maybe sometimes they miss. Hamas has been launching hundreds of rockets a day indiscriminately into Israel for years.
The gazans should go into Egypt, Hamas is the government and controls where aid goes
The problem is that the IDF apparently misses so much that historically, Palestinian casualties have been over 20 times higher than Israeli casualties, but yet you think the attack on October 7th was what “started a war”. Hamas rockets bad, IDF rockets good, or what? Oh I forgot, murdering 20 people for one is ok when done in retaliation (/s)
The reasons the causalities are higher for the pals is that they are not able to kill as many people as they would like and they hide behind civilians. IDF targets terrorists, Hamas hides behind civilians, Hamas targets civilians.
And the reason gaza is under blockade is because they have previously used all their resources for terrorism.
And if you go back you can see that the genesis of this conflict.is explicit - that these are Islamic fascist who against any non Muslim state of any dimensions and will fight it to the death. Jews are the natives of the land , for hundreds of years there were laws against Jews in Israel as well as every other Muslim country. When Jews immigrated in the 20th century they did not displace anyone and infact their development caused many migrants to move to the land. The intolerant Muslims were against any Jews in the land and they went to war over there existence and that when they were displaced. Imagine being so bigoted that you go to war against the natives of the land, who do you think built Jerusalem or Hebron or Nazareth ?
Israel is the one that has been constantly conquering land from Palestine (even after the UN’s plan of partition), not the other way around, and what they are doing are war crimes which means its a crime even during a war, how dumb do you have to be not to understand that, hamas is terrible but so is Netanyahu
Israel agreed to the UN partition and the arabs went to war against them to destroy them. In 1967 they went to war again to destroy Israel. There is no such thing as land which is inherently Muslim, Muslims have countries from Morocco to Pakistan and their fascist ideology says that there can only be Muslim nations. They have rejected Israel and freedom for Jews 100%, Israel has the right to defend itself from fascists. The Nazis had the same ideology and the arabs fought with the Nazis in WW2.
What hamas did is war crimes, targeting civilians. What Israel does, targeting terrorists and having collateral damage because they are hiding behind civilians is not war crimes. In Russia Ukraine war civilians die but their are not war crimes, they do not target civilians. In WW2 many civilians died but it is collateral damage. It is different from the terrorist war crimes of Hamas there is no equivocation. This propaganda is part of how the terrorists fight, they lie they are relentless, so you expect people who do these things to not lie?
What? Before the british mandate ended the haganah laid out plan dalet which clearly stated for the expulsion of Palestinians, blowing up populous cities and planting mines, it was after that that the neighboring Arab states went to war with israel, israel captured at-least 30% more land than what was proposed by the UN, also you are trying to justify killing an infinitely more amount of civilians and committing more crimes in a response to a crime.
That’s like someone killed a loved one of your’s so you start murdering ppl on the street.
Also israel probably has the most advanced intelligence system in the world but they apparently can’t use it to find the hamas members and need to bomb an entire country.
I suggest you complete your middle school (and possibly attend your therapy) before commenting on complex situations like these.
Anyone can look up the 1948 partition which Israel accepted and the arabs rejected. Anyone can lookup ‘plan dalet’ and see that it’s developed in the midst of a war.
For hundreds of years there were laws against Jews in Palestine as well as every Muslim country.
Jews have been explicit that they are willing to live in peace with Muslims, and Muslims have been explicit that they are racist who will not tolerate any non Muslim presence.
Hamas is the one who came in and murdered random people because they don’t submit to Islamic fascism as they do in my parts of the world. Israel is targeting Hamas who are hiding behind civilians. These are clear facts which anyone can see. The reason pals fight is rooted in their Islamic fascism that they don’t get 100% of what they want which is an Islamic caliphate throughout the world. This is the message that is explicit in the quaran and how they are innoculated from childhood
I suppose you have completely read the quran and have understood every single verse perfectly, plan dalet was developed in the middle of a war which the British started not the Palestinians or muslims
I frankly have no idea what you are trying to say here
I don’t understand why are you trying to force religion into this, the people living in Palestine aren’t muslims, the people living in israel aren’t jewish, the people living in US aren’t Christians, it sure is a part of their identity, but first and foremost, they are humans, with feelings and loved ones just like you, humans who have been derived of basic needs such as food and shelter in case of Palestinians.
The average Palestinian or any religious person for that matter doesn’t want to annihilate every other religion in the world, they just want to feed themselves and their loved ones, have a sense of safety and security, and die peacefully.
The thing is that the voices of these people aren’t heard, when was the last time there was an election in Palestine? Or were they consulted during the partition plan? When was the last time they were consulted before the making of a major decision, and in a similar way, how many Israeli voices that want the war to end are being heard, none…
However, you seem to dehumanize these (Palestinian) people on the basis of religion, you are no better than the ‘Islamist fascists’ you speak of.
Put yourself on these peoples shoes, and think about how they feel about their voices being constantly surpressed
Wow you should be embarrassed , ‘the people living in Palestine aren’t muslim’ 😂😂😂, you don’t think Hamas is Muslim, holy crap.
A religion follows it’s interpretation but the quaran is the poetry of a medevil warlord who advocated Islamic fascism and genocide, you can see many Muslim groups throughout the middle east (Iran, ISIS, Hamas) who take it seriously. It is very serious for the women executed in Iran for not wearing their scarves, for the gays executed in Palestine.
In Israel the Muslims live freely, Israel wants a peaceful and prosperous Palestinian state. Palestinians elect hamas, Hamas cancelled elections, Hamas does not want.peace and prosperity, they want to genocide Jews, they are who Israel is fighting, Israel are trying to avoid Palestinian civilians to get Hamas who is hiding behind civilians. Many of the civilians are horrible people who support Hamas but none the less Israel is not targeting them.
Yes pals.civilians are treated unfairly, every Islamic country is a brutal dictatorship, there is no self determination anywhere in the Arab world, if the pals succeeded in genocising Jews they would still live under a tyrannical regime
No, that’s a ridiculous thing to say. Even the Muslim arabs massacred the Christian arabs in Lebanon, they was supposed to be a Muslim/christian state. Do you know about that ?
Interesting though that Israel is making great headway in relationships with it’s neighbours and this it seen as one of the main reasons that Iran and other fundamentalist organisations trained, supplied and directed the terror attacks and kidnappings which started this current conflict.
Iran doesn’t want Israel and Jordan working together on mutually beneficial infrastructure and trade projects, they certainly don’t want Israel and Saudi Arabia to sign any agreements or treaties… This conflict is being forced by outside actors who have little regard for Palestinian life but a strong hatred for Israel.
This is not a simple matter, no matter how you look at it there are layers upon layers of complexity.
Hmmm, every single Muslim country has conflicts with their neighbors that has to be violently suppressed, with the Jews, with the Christians, with the Hindus… They fight amongst themselves with shia and sunni, every Muslim country is a violent totalitarian dictatorship which is completely corrupt with most people living in poverty, so where do you think the problem is? The religion based on poetry of a medieval warlord that people interpret as being from God ?
Hamas is the governing body there, they all celebrated and danced around dead bodies on 10/7- those people should die.
They’ve been given warning to evacuate. Why doesn’t Egypt let them in? Remember the lie that Israel bombed the crossing?
Even tho you ignore the fact that hamas was elected in 2004 and half the civilians currently alive in gaza are children who would of course not voted before they were born, how do you justify the explosion in settler terrorism in the west bank since gaza has been sieged? How do you justify the bombing of civilians in the west bank if theres no hamas there? Also if i gave you a warning to evacuate your home or die im sure you wouldnt leave so why should gazans?
Your premise that there is land which is reserved for arabs is false. If there is empty land Jews can live there. I don’t care for the idea that arabs live freely in Israel with equal rights while in the west bank, or Jordan, or Iraq Jews cannot live there, have equal rights and in fact would be killed.
You have had 75 yrs against Israel legitimacy and Israel has to take steps for security. Israel is tiny. Why can’t Jordan, which is a part of Palestine give land to the Palestinians or the state of Israel? Why was the entire land of Jordan given to ‘the heshimite family’ who are not even native to the land ?
It is clear to anyone clear thinking person that islamic outlook is fascist and has been at open war against Jews and non Muslims for decades and centuries. And that they have been defeated, are the losers, and now peddle this pathetic propaganda and it takes root because of weak minded people whose thoughts are based on childish slogans that are recited in unison, have you read 1984?
This is why the media is so highly censored in these places, that they scream over any debate, they are violent fascists, relying on censorship and propaganda, using any means to advance their idiotic religious agenda.
Empty land? My man, they’re literally kicking people out of their homes and moving settlers in, there’s videos and reports from multiple sources. It’s not the vast empty plains of the wild west after the natives died to disease.
Vox did a great report a while back where they talked to a guy who was moved into a house a family was kicked out and his justifications for moving in and the struggles he faces in the neighborhood. The focus though was the family who got kicked out and their efforts to get it back.
I’d link the video but I don’t wanna link YouTube and I’m sure you could find these kind of reports if you wanted to.
In the 18 and 1900s Palestine was largely empty , the Jews a state on some land and the 1948 partition gave the Jews mainly vacant land. The pal position has been there can be no Jewish state in any form
All throughout the 18 and 1900s the arabs warred against the Jews and kicked them out of their homes in Hebron , in Jerusalem, these court cases talking about who owns which house are obscure. And it is possible that some pals are unjustly kicked out of homes, I don’t know. But the broader conflict is that the pals are Islamic fascist who do not think Jews should be able to live anywhere or have a state anywhere and fight in any despicable way they can against it. So maybe sometimes a pal gets treated unfairly but for every 1 of these cases there are a hundred cases where Jews have had land stolen, like the history of Hebron and what happened in the 30s. And there are many cases where Arab claims are upheld by Israel, they are all over Jerusalem.
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They don’t have to tell them to evacuate, hamas attacked and started a war, there’s a war, they’re not tied to a post.
There is no conceivable way that there wouldn’t be a war after what Hamas did.
And you can use the typical pal trope of what about what Israel did before… And the fact of the matter is if you want to trace this conflict to it’s genesis its that pals follow a fascist Islamic ideology which is opposed to any Jewish state.of any form and no Jewish presence anywhere in the land. They are fascist. They have launched war and terrorists attacks , have been defeated and restrained and their only recourse is to hide behind children and play the victim, yell slogans to affect weak minded people.
The Jews have always been willing to live in peace, live with a Palestinian state, live with arabs in the state of Israel. The Muslims have openly opposed any peace with Jews. Jews are the natives of the land and the Muslims have said even if an area is completely abandoned, a swamp or a desert, that Jews cannot be there, they are ok with Muslims from any other part of the world being there, they are ok with no one there, but not Jews who are the natives of the land. They are fascist. Imagine caring about the ‘character of the land’ and seeking to exclude Jews… It is a mosque built on top of the Jewish temple, Islam is the occupier. You see the fascist Muslims fight like this against the Jews as well as many other people in many countries, you are reflexive and weak minded if you are sympathetic to them when they complain about losing the wars they start, hiding behind children for propagana
Are you a woman lady autumn? Do you have any idea what it’s like to be a woman in a fascist islamic regime? That in Iran and Gaza they kill women who don’t wear their head scarfs, will kill them if they talk to a man, what do you think their marriages are like? They are misogynistic and it’s no wonder they have such an easy time recruiting terrorists
Children never deserve to be murdered. Ever. No matter by whom or for what reason. I don’t have any response to the rampant amount of Islamophobia in general displayed here. Not all Muslims are violent misogynists. Innocent civilians who have done no wrong should never be murdered under any circumstances.
Murder is deliberately targeting, it is a war crime, it is what Hamas did, it is what Nazis did.
When terrorists hide behind civilians and civilians are killed inadvertently in the midst of a war it is called collateral damage, they are not intentionally targeted and it is not Anwar crime. Again hamas is the war criminal hiding behind them.
In every war civilians die because of collateral damage, in WW2, the civil war, every war. The difference is hamas targets children and hides behind them, Israel takes steps to avoid civilian casualties
No, no, no. Throwing a fucking bomb randomly into a civilian neighborhood is not collateral damage. The civilians are the direct damage. Starving children and depriving them of water and healthcare is murder.
You’re deliberately misrepresenting every single action taken by the IDF.
No I’m not, the IDF targets hamas, maybe sometimes they miss. Hamas has been launching hundreds of rockets a day indiscriminately into Israel for years.
The gazans should go into Egypt, Hamas is the government and controls where aid goes
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Obviously you are a slogan yeller and it’s broken your brain.
The IDF targets militants, if they were targeting civilians they could kill millions. Everyone can see hamas specifically hides behind civilians
The problem is that the IDF apparently misses so much that historically, Palestinian casualties have been over 20 times higher than Israeli casualties, but yet you think the attack on October 7th was what “started a war”. Hamas rockets bad, IDF rockets good, or what? Oh I forgot, murdering 20 people for one is ok when done in retaliation (/s)
The reasons the causalities are higher for the pals is that they are not able to kill as many people as they would like and they hide behind civilians. IDF targets terrorists, Hamas hides behind civilians, Hamas targets civilians.
And the reason gaza is under blockade is because they have previously used all their resources for terrorism.
And if you go back you can see that the genesis of this conflict.is explicit - that these are Islamic fascist who against any non Muslim state of any dimensions and will fight it to the death. Jews are the natives of the land , for hundreds of years there were laws against Jews in Israel as well as every other Muslim country. When Jews immigrated in the 20th century they did not displace anyone and infact their development caused many migrants to move to the land. The intolerant Muslims were against any Jews in the land and they went to war over there existence and that when they were displaced. Imagine being so bigoted that you go to war against the natives of the land, who do you think built Jerusalem or Hebron or Nazareth ?
Israel is the one that has been constantly conquering land from Palestine (even after the UN’s plan of partition), not the other way around, and what they are doing are war crimes which means its a crime even during a war, how dumb do you have to be not to understand that, hamas is terrible but so is Netanyahu
Israel agreed to the UN partition and the arabs went to war against them to destroy them. In 1967 they went to war again to destroy Israel. There is no such thing as land which is inherently Muslim, Muslims have countries from Morocco to Pakistan and their fascist ideology says that there can only be Muslim nations. They have rejected Israel and freedom for Jews 100%, Israel has the right to defend itself from fascists. The Nazis had the same ideology and the arabs fought with the Nazis in WW2.
What hamas did is war crimes, targeting civilians. What Israel does, targeting terrorists and having collateral damage because they are hiding behind civilians is not war crimes. In Russia Ukraine war civilians die but their are not war crimes, they do not target civilians. In WW2 many civilians died but it is collateral damage. It is different from the terrorist war crimes of Hamas there is no equivocation. This propaganda is part of how the terrorists fight, they lie they are relentless, so you expect people who do these things to not lie?
What? Before the british mandate ended the haganah laid out plan dalet which clearly stated for the expulsion of Palestinians, blowing up populous cities and planting mines, it was after that that the neighboring Arab states went to war with israel, israel captured at-least 30% more land than what was proposed by the UN, also you are trying to justify killing an infinitely more amount of civilians and committing more crimes in a response to a crime.
That’s like someone killed a loved one of your’s so you start murdering ppl on the street.
Also israel probably has the most advanced intelligence system in the world but they apparently can’t use it to find the hamas members and need to bomb an entire country.
I suggest you complete your middle school (and possibly attend your therapy) before commenting on complex situations like these.
Anyone can look up the 1948 partition which Israel accepted and the arabs rejected. Anyone can lookup ‘plan dalet’ and see that it’s developed in the midst of a war.
For hundreds of years there were laws against Jews in Palestine as well as every Muslim country.
Jews have been explicit that they are willing to live in peace with Muslims, and Muslims have been explicit that they are racist who will not tolerate any non Muslim presence.
Hamas is the one who came in and murdered random people because they don’t submit to Islamic fascism as they do in my parts of the world. Israel is targeting Hamas who are hiding behind civilians. These are clear facts which anyone can see. The reason pals fight is rooted in their Islamic fascism that they don’t get 100% of what they want which is an Islamic caliphate throughout the world. This is the message that is explicit in the quaran and how they are innoculated from childhood
I suppose you have completely read the quran and have understood every single verse perfectly, plan dalet was developed in the middle of a war which the British started not the Palestinians or muslims
I frankly have no idea what you are trying to say here
I don’t understand why are you trying to force religion into this, the people living in Palestine aren’t muslims, the people living in israel aren’t jewish, the people living in US aren’t Christians, it sure is a part of their identity, but first and foremost, they are humans, with feelings and loved ones just like you, humans who have been derived of basic needs such as food and shelter in case of Palestinians.
The average Palestinian or any religious person for that matter doesn’t want to annihilate every other religion in the world, they just want to feed themselves and their loved ones, have a sense of safety and security, and die peacefully.
The thing is that the voices of these people aren’t heard, when was the last time there was an election in Palestine? Or were they consulted during the partition plan? When was the last time they were consulted before the making of a major decision, and in a similar way, how many Israeli voices that want the war to end are being heard, none…
However, you seem to dehumanize these (Palestinian) people on the basis of religion, you are no better than the ‘Islamist fascists’ you speak of.
Put yourself on these peoples shoes, and think about how they feel about their voices being constantly surpressed
Wow you should be embarrassed , ‘the people living in Palestine aren’t muslim’ 😂😂😂, you don’t think Hamas is Muslim, holy crap.
A religion follows it’s interpretation but the quaran is the poetry of a medevil warlord who advocated Islamic fascism and genocide, you can see many Muslim groups throughout the middle east (Iran, ISIS, Hamas) who take it seriously. It is very serious for the women executed in Iran for not wearing their scarves, for the gays executed in Palestine.
In Israel the Muslims live freely, Israel wants a peaceful and prosperous Palestinian state. Palestinians elect hamas, Hamas cancelled elections, Hamas does not want.peace and prosperity, they want to genocide Jews, they are who Israel is fighting, Israel are trying to avoid Palestinian civilians to get Hamas who is hiding behind civilians. Many of the civilians are horrible people who support Hamas but none the less Israel is not targeting them.
Yes pals.civilians are treated unfairly, every Islamic country is a brutal dictatorship, there is no self determination anywhere in the Arab world, if the pals succeeded in genocising Jews they would still live under a tyrannical regime
Why doesn’t Israel let them in? If there was free movement between Gaza and Israel all problems would be solved, right?
No, that’s a ridiculous thing to say. Even the Muslim arabs massacred the Christian arabs in Lebanon, they was supposed to be a Muslim/christian state. Do you know about that ?
If someone can’t get along with their neighbors, maybe they’re the problem…
Interesting though that Israel is making great headway in relationships with it’s neighbours and this it seen as one of the main reasons that Iran and other fundamentalist organisations trained, supplied and directed the terror attacks and kidnappings which started this current conflict.
Iran doesn’t want Israel and Jordan working together on mutually beneficial infrastructure and trade projects, they certainly don’t want Israel and Saudi Arabia to sign any agreements or treaties… This conflict is being forced by outside actors who have little regard for Palestinian life but a strong hatred for Israel.
This is not a simple matter, no matter how you look at it there are layers upon layers of complexity.
Hmmm, every single Muslim country has conflicts with their neighbors that has to be violently suppressed, with the Jews, with the Christians, with the Hindus… They fight amongst themselves with shia and sunni, every Muslim country is a violent totalitarian dictatorship which is completely corrupt with most people living in poverty, so where do you think the problem is? The religion based on poetry of a medieval warlord that people interpret as being from God ?