• MMbhJkpW3a3i@lemmy.world
    884·
    8 months ago

    Can’t tell you how strongly I disagree. It feels like the first people on Lemmy are the most insufferable know-it-all and holier-than-thou types from Reddit. Say anything about Microsoft or Windows? Here’s 15 commenters telling you how much better they are for having Linux, and 2 commenters on topic, only to be called inferior by the Linux users. Same for Photoshop, same for social media, same for any paid software.

    And everyone who has an opinion must insult anyone who disagrees like it’s political Twitter, only by people who think they’re smarter cause they were never on Twitter.

    Lemmy is so toxic it’s delaying its development. People lurk cause there are too many assholes talking over everyone else.

    The only thing that’s better is there are less of those “um ahcktually”, pedant types. If you say “everyone”, people mostly understand you don’t literally mean “everyone.”

    • mob@lemmy.world
      342·
      8 months ago

      You must be a car driving capitalist tankie to be hatting on this place.

      jk, I definitely agree. This place is way more radicalized than Reddit, or at least it isn’t nearly as diluted by bots so it seems more prominent… Some dope people around here but I’m definitely losing hope that this place will grow into a cool place.

      It’s all the same topic posts and the same hateful comments, but you can’t even find small active communities to get away from it.

      • littlecolt@lemm.ee
        71·
        8 months ago

        I like risa on startrek.webaite, for one. you can def find cool communities.

        • Caradoc879@lemmy.world
          3·
          8 months ago

          Risa has gotten weird lately. I don’t find the meme as funny anymore. A lot of them just seem like the ‘oh so random’ humor that was funny when I was in middle school.

    • Vincent Adultman@lemmy.world
      11·
      8 months ago

      Good to see your input and how many people agree with it. I kinda agree, I am one of those jerks that will pray for open source alternatives, lmao, not so for paid or social media. Still being part of majority, I agree with you. I kinda miss the christian memes from reddit, it used to take the bible and interpret in some way, not as it was written.

      As somebody said, lemmy have instances. I don’t think we are in the need to make more, but idk about that and it’s just an opinion. I think the next step is creating communities that a lot of people miss from reddit but feel they wouldn’t be welcomed due to existing communities and the current mindset in Lemmy instances.

      Thanks for the comment and saying what a lot of us have been wanting to say.

    • June@lemm.ee
      9·
      8 months ago

      I think the instance really matters. My ‘all’ feed is full of toxic assholes but my subs are mostly rad folks.

      • Wugmeister@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        8 months ago

        Totally agree. I stopped seeing toxic people when I left Lemmy.World. idk why that is. It’s not like Lemmy.world is a terrible place or anything.

    • The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.orgEnglish
      7·
      8 months ago

      I left lemmy a few weeks ago for this reason and I come back today to see what’s up and it’s exactly as you described. We aren’t the only ones either

    • xenoclast@lemmy.world
      3·
      8 months ago

      The problem is not a technology one, and creating a copy of the thing you hate isn’t going to get different results.

      I never expected it to be better than reddit, actually I expected it to make things much worse through increased isolation of mobs. It does.

      Only thing an individual can do is be the change they want to see and be nice to people, and resist the urge to “other” everyone they interact with.

      That said… if this is OPs lived experience we should be happy for them. They’re having a positive experience that we all want.

      • ImpossibilityBox@lemmy.world
        7·
        8 months ago

        Curious, I’ve seen it all over lemmy. I’ve got a couple different accounts for… reasons, and on one I tried to make the point that for some demographics, like my parents/grandparents, Windows is the best OS. I was immediately berated for MANY reasons including, being a failure for not educating my family, not caring about my family’s safety, personally signing them up for the FasTrack to identity theft and scammers, and that Linux is ACTuaLLY simpler and easier to use.

        This is pretty tame compared to the piracy guys as well.

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
          14·
          8 months ago

          and on one I tried to make the point that for some demographics, like my parents/grandparents, Windows is the best OS.

          Yeah you’re pretty much objectively wrong there. With OSX you could’ve had a point but Windows is a nightmare if you have to administer a box for family.

          …don’t tell me your parents and grandparents absolutely have to use 3ds Max.

            • barsoap@lemm.ee
              1·
              8 months ago

              It’s random software that indeed only runs on Windows. There’s not even a Mac version.

              …but it’s also software that people generally don’t use privately, and for which FLOSS alternatives exist (Blender), arguably better software and because free also used by hobbyists, and even more insanely powerful commercial software that also runs on Linux (Houdini). Frankly speaking I’m surprised that a DOS 3d software package even made it into currentyear with all that IRIX competition.

              • Hadriscus@lemm.ee
                1·
                8 months ago

                I am familiar with it, I was just wondering where you pulled that from ? I didn’t see it mentioned in the OP

                Some studios depend on it because they have a whole pipeline&talent revolving around it, but hobbyists ? indeed that’s weird

                • barsoap@lemm.ee
                  1·
                  8 months ago

                  The main point is that there’s probably no Windows-only software that parents+grandparents absolutely need.

      • Wugmeister@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        8 months ago

        Same here. Maybe I’ve found a nice echo chamber to inhabit. Back when I was mostly using Lemmy.World I saw a lot of weirdos, but for some reason migrating to a different instance seems to have solved that problem. Maybe OP just needs to find an instance that works for them.

    • Wugmeister@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1·
      8 months ago

      When I left Lemmy.World I stopped seeing toxic behavior on the regular. I am not sure why this is. I am following all the same communities I was before, so it’s not like I left any toxic communities. Even the hexbear people seem mostly civil now. It’s like all the crazy people left.

      Maybe you just need to find an instance that suits you?

    • barsoap@lemm.ee
      1117·
      8 months ago

      Say anything about Microsoft or Windows? Here’s 15 commenters telling you how much better they are for having Linux,

      Eh. That’s like the repeat of “Reddit is an anti-American circlejerk”: No, it isn’t. Never was. It was simply the place where many Americans first learned that people who live beyond the brim of their burgers actually exist, and have opinions.

      You’re on a FLOSS platform. Don’t be surprised if fanboying for an aggressively monopolistic multinational with inferior technology, held up by duct tape and bribes to system integrators, doesn’t make you friends.

      • Stuka@lemmy.world
        212·
        8 months ago

        Uhh yeah no. I was on reddit for over a decade and the anti-american circle jerk (that is alive and kicking on lrmmy, btw) became much worse over the last few years.

        Lemmy loves to pretend it’s culturally superior to reddit, but now we’ve just concentrated the elitists and political extremists into a smaller pool of users.

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
          417·
          8 months ago

          No, neither reddit or lemmy are anti-American. Not even unamerican. It’s much, much worse: They’re non-American. Reddit by I think a small majority, lemmy much more so.

          If, then, a random jingoist Seppo comes along and considers themselves and their dysfunctional country god’s gift to humanity, well, it’s easy to predict how much people will cheer that on.

          Add to that another, equally exceptionalist, breed of Seppos, just that those don’t think the US is the greatest thing to ever grace humankind, but the worst. That’s not anti-American either, they’re still exceptionalist and they’re still Seppos. Hexbear and lemmygrad are full of them.

          Also y’all don’t get what taking the piss entails.

      • mob@lemmy.world
        81·
        8 months ago

        I agree with the sentiment that we are on a FLOSS platform, so most people are going to prefer Linux.

        But the rest of that comment is silly.

        Saying anything about Windows/Max doesn’t mean the commenter is fanboying.

        Also, are you saying you dont believe social media was manipulated to interfere with American politics?

        And the last one really cracks me up about making friends. “Aggressively fanboying” Windows or Mac doesn’t make you friends, but fanboying Linux does? You and I are definitely in different areas of CS then ha!

        I think “fanboying” in general is the actual issue

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
          31·
          8 months ago

          Also, are you saying you dont believe social media was manipulated to interfere with American politics?

          I sense a veritable iceberg of a conspiracy theory, there: You think Reddit and lemmy are “anti-american” so as to influence American politics?

          Pretty much anyone outside of the US doesn’t need an ulterior motive, be given money or whatever to talk shit about the US: You’re providing ample of reason and opportunity to do that as is, there’s no need to get the Russians or whoever involved. Also they’re only stoking flames (on both sides and a couple more), without a base level of idiocy they would have nothing to work with.

          Saying anything about Windows/Max doesn’t mean the commenter is fanboying.

          Why if not for that would they get a negative reaction to that here, then?

          “Aggressively fanboying” Windows or Mac doesn’t make you friends, but fanboying Linux does? You and I are definitely in different areas of CS then ha!

          …you’re in CS but not a developer or devops? You work at a soul-sucking job writing software for machinery or such that for have to run windows? Like, dunno, ATMs? And you and your colleagues developed Stockholm Syndrome?

          • mob@lemmy.world
            32·
            8 months ago

            I don’t have to run windows, or anything. I can run what I want.

            But the people who shoehorn Linux into every conversation are also the ones who spend more time finding acceptance online rather than actually being “friends” with people IRL. Tbh, I have you coined for a stereotype I know and I apologize about that. I can’t help it. I just know mfers who talk like you are commenting so my bad if I attach opinions to you, I really don’t mean to. That’s why I’m trying to ask questions.

            But you do not believe social media is manipulated then, and is just a conspiracy theory? I never accused any party of being behind the manipulations and I haven’t provided any theoretical motivations. Just wondered if you believed social media is an accurate portrayal of the populations opinions.

            Also, mfers try to act superior cause they got Linux, that’s why they “get a negative reaction”. Look how you are reacting to someone just mentioning the idea of mentioning windows ha!

            • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              8 months ago

              But the people who shoehorn Linux into every conversation are also the ones who spend more time finding acceptance online rather than actually being “friends” with people IRL. Tbh, I have you coined for a stereotype I know and I apologize about that. I can’t help it. I just know mfers who talk like you are commenting so my bad if I attach opinions to you, I really don’t mean to. That’s why I’m trying to ask questions.

              Can you give an example of people shoehorning Linux into conversations? Usually the only comment I see is already on Linux, and it’s the Arch btw’s, which is a meme in itself. Maybe you need to search for subs you like, and subscribe to them, and have subscribed as the default view. All may not be your cup of tea, like all was never my cup of tea on reddit. You’re not always going to be in the majority view, and that is fine.

            • barsoap@lemm.ee
              21·
              8 months ago

              Just wondered if you believed social media is an accurate portrayal of the populations opinions.

              …of the population of the people using it, mostly, yes. Of course, we’ll never know what the lurkers think. None of it should be used for statistical analysis but you’ll get a reasonable spread of opinions deemed acceptable in a particular place – for example, on lemmy you’ll be hard-pressed to find Nazis or Trumpets as no admin wants to deal with that kind of headache. Tankies, too, can be readily seen to run a manipulative agenda and they’re not entirely welcome. Frankly speaking influencing stuff just by posting is rather hard, to have to influence content discovery algorithms (which are dumb as bread in lemmy’s case and that’s good).

              Also, mfers try to act superior cause they got Linux, that’s why they “get a negative reaction”.

              Dude I’ve been running Linux as my primary desktop since the early 2000s, I’m too old for that shit. Back in the days I was a freshly-baked programmer tinkering around everywhere, by now I largely simply want a system that a) works out of the box in a sensible manner and that b) I can mess with if required. I also have a windows installation for a game or the other and the occasional testing of builds and believe me it certainly doesn’t fulfil a) and b), well, I don’t know it well enough and the documentation sucks.

              The usual context I see Linux mentioned in on lemmy is gaming, or in context of just what at shitshow Windows 11 is regarding ads and whatnot. That’s not shoehorning.

  • chakan2@lemmy.world
    English
    483·
    8 months ago

    Really? I just kind of come here when I really want to feel bad about myself. This community is twice as toxic as reddit if you’re not part of the group think.

      • HW07@lemmy.world
        111·
        8 months ago

        And if you’re center-right probably. Lemmy seems to be on the masses more left wing (which I am too, sorry dumb human brain has to share it’s opinion)

        • figaro@lemdro.idEnglish
          13·
          8 months ago

          Nah man, I’m pretty far left. Apparently that isn’t good enough here though. I feel like if I’m not north of Lenin’s ass here, I’m capitalist scum. Its pretty frustrating

          • Baŝto@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            1·
            8 months ago

            Which liberal? Just normal liberal or social liberal, which is called liberal in the US?

            For Classical Liberalism and Neoliberalism that’s not surprising since they support an unregulated free market and all liberal movements are pro private property, which both is opposed by most social movements.

    • UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works
      31·
      8 months ago

      I haven’t found that to be the case, but maybe my groupthink is stronger than I thought.

      I will admit I creeped your comments a bit, but you seem pretty progressive to be. What sort of toxic reactions are you talking about?

        • set_secret@lemmy.world
          5·
          8 months ago

          feels like an upvote worthy comment to me.

          Maybe people felt if you’re on the internet it’s almost impossible not to have seen SOME news clips from them.

          I mean I hate fox and I actively avoid them. but they’ve definitely floated in front of my eyes plenty of times inadvertently.

          🤷‍♂️

            • TauZero@mander.xyz
              3·
              8 months ago

              Fox the broadcast TV channel is different from Fox News the cable channel. Broadcast TV is operated by one of ~100 local affiliates and shows the Simpsons and local news. Fox News Channel is the Murdoch personal project to produce 24-hour conservative propaganda to shift the national discourse. Or at least it was this way 20 years ago, haven’t seen what the TV branding looks like nowadays.

          • Hadriscus@lemm.ee
            2·
            8 months ago

            I’m on the internet a lot and I’ve heard of Fox News over and over, but I’m not sure I’ve actually seen anything from it.

        • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          8 months ago

          A bit delayed, but you posted in fuck cars, about why car disincentive schemes are a cash grab. It wasn’t about Fox news.

          I mean, I don’t disagree with you that if you don’t use the proceeds to help the planet or infrastructure improvements for non-car users, it is just a cash grab, but you probably needs to be aware what community you’re on, and what the consensus view is. Saying that 4chan is for right wing racist kids on green text is going to get you swimming in downvotes. It doesn’t mean anything bad about you, or your view, it just means you probably weren’t fully aware of the context and probably are a little bit sensitive about downvotes. Karma does not matter here, and disagreements and downvotes mean people care about what you say, even if it’s in a disagreeable way.

          I don’t agree with your take, but I appreciate you being here. :)

          • TauZero@mander.xyz
            1·
            8 months ago

            Oh I was well aware what community I was in 😁. I hate cars and exclusively ride bikes myself and here I was making a joke how I managed to get !fuck_cars of all places to downvote me for not watching fox news. All because my groupthink is not exactly identical to their groupthink (I am not the grandparent comment btw).

            The secret is that karma does not matter anywhere! However, as long as the comment sorting algorithm is the way it is, I will keep believing that the downvote button is for posts that are non-constructive contributions, not for disagreement. Burying discussion is not constructive, but that’s what the algorithm will do. Maybe this is a hopeless task, but I wish that after a conversation I have learned something new, or taught someone something, not just made myself feel better.

      • chakan2@lemmy.world
        English
        2·
        8 months ago

        Just don’t say centrist too loudly and you’ll be ok I guess.

        I’m left leaning center these days.

        • UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          8 months ago

          Unless you mean something totally different than the popular interpretation (ie meaning) of the term, then “centrist” is a very politically charged position to take when virtually everyone, whether left or right leaning, at least agrees that things aren’t great right now

      • Zeoic@lemmy.world
        82·
        8 months ago

        I have seen the word Tankies a ton since I joined Lemmy, but it seems like people use it for almost anybody that is political at all, lol. Is the definition of it that google gives accurate?

        • Machindo@lemmy.ml
          115·
          8 months ago

          It gets thrown around a lot by people who don’t know the first thing about Marxism.

          I’m a card carrying socialist so you think, with the communities I subscribe to, I would have seen some Tankies commenting, but I’ve yet to run across any Uygur genocide or Russian apologizing so far.

          It really makes me mad when people accuse the maintainers of Lemmy of being Tankies when all I can find are very based essays they’ve written about socialist philosophy.

          Edit: Just to be clear, I won’t tolerate any Russia/China apologism. My account being from Leemy.ml means I still see content from the people most likely to be Tankies. I’m always willing to admit I am wrong if someone makes a compelling argument. I’ve just been silent on this topic since people started complaining and this is my first real push back. I don’t want the Tankie slur applied to anyone who doesn’t deserve it.

          • FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world
            8·
            8 months ago

            I have seen a couple of tankies, but I think most of them left Lemmy.world when Hexbear and Lemmygrad got defedrated.

            • Machindo@lemmy.ml
              11·
              8 months ago

              Since Lemmy.ml is still federated with Lemmygrad and Hexbear I see their posts and comments pretty regularly.

              That’s why I’m aggravated that I see people complaining about those groups but haven’t seen the rhetoric their accused of. 😔

              I genuinely want some links to examples. It would make me sad but I can accept if I’m wrong.

          • SchizoDenji@lemm.ee
            93·
            8 months ago

            >Lemmy.ml account

            >I’ve yet to run across any genocide denial.

            Mate, how far have you buried your head in the sand?

            • Machindo@lemmy.ml
              11·
              8 months ago

              I joined Lemmy before the mass exodus, when the three major servers were Lemmy.ml, Beehaw, and Lemmygrad.

              What do you mean by pointing that out?

              I’ve seen more than my fair share of Lemmygrad posts and comments.

              I stand by what I said.

              I’m happy to look at any links to comments you dissaprove of.

          • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
            11·
            8 months ago

            Tankies are anything but leftists. They’re authoritarian shitheads that have more in common with the far right. Everything they stand for is at odds with actual leftist beliefs and principles.

            • u/unhappy_grapefruit_2@lemmy.world
              11·
              8 months ago

              Tankies is a term used to describe auth-left to put it bluntly communists M8 they aren’t right wing nor are they auth-right they have nothing todo with auth-right m8.most of there beliefs. and principles come from Marxism-leninisim. There beliefs are hard-core authoritarian and heavily auth left-wing

              If you want to read into it then goahead

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie?wprov=sfla1

  • RobotZap10000@feddit.nl
    32·
    8 months ago

    What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

  • pascal@lemm.ee
    375·
    8 months ago

    Which communities did you subscribe?

    Because my experience is a bit different, people here seem way more polarized with their opinion (which is always right) and angry at random stuff.

    I think I never saw so many “landlords haters” in social media like in Lemmy…

  • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
    30·
    8 months ago

    Wow, this post is absolute trash. You seriously took the time out of your day to create such an absolute fucking trainwreck of a post. I’m unbelievably disappointed and I don’t think I am going to be able to sleep at night knowing that such a horrifyingly godawful post exists on this site. My mental health has taken a hit and I may never recover from seeing this post. OP, this is all your fault. If you had just stopped for one second and thought about the ramifications of this crime against humanity, maybe you could have avoided traumatizing thousands of people. But you didn’t. I hope you’re proud of what you’ve done, shame on you.