• famousringo@sh.itjust.works
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      11 months ago

      Crap, you’re right.

      Better not vote for them and just accept having no abortion rights until a viable third party shows up.

      • chakan2@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        Better not vote for them and just accept having no abortion rights until a viable third party shows up.

        Well…if you’re not voting for a 3rd party…you’re accepting not having abortion rights.

      • Ado@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        You’re right too, it’s better to vote for them and… still accept having no abortion rights

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          11 months ago

          It’s a dumb take because you didn’t suggest any alternative and it sounds like you’re just bitching for the sake of it.

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            11 months ago

            They’re right though. There is no alternative because of the two party system. Obviously republicans aren’t an alternative, so what else is there? It’s a very frustrating situation that makes you lose any sort of faith of the future of the political system.

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            It’s a dumb take to state the truth? That’s interesting.

            Dems don’t give a fuck, if they did they would’ve codified roe most recently when Obama had both houses of congress.

            There’s no alternative, the DNC forces shit candidates down your throat who do shit like what’s mentioned above. The republicans force candidates who exploit the dnc’s lack of fucks they give about you.

            What’s your solution? what I already said? Keep voting dems and still not get abortion codified?

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              To be clear, Obama had both houses of Congress for 72 days and they passed Affordable Care Act and Patient Protection Plan. That’s not nothing.

              • Ado@lemmy.world
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                11 months ago

                And how does that make it okay that they failed to codify Roe?

                Not to mention the fact that the ACA drafting came from Mitt Romney and failed to provide a proper safety net. We can see that in the fact that the ACA , and especially the individual mandate, have been gutted.

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                  Don’t blame one side for the action of another. You’d still have it if republicans didn’t take it, nothing to do with Dems. Dems didn’t take your rights away, republicans did, blame the right people.

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              They want you to be apathetic which lowers voter turnout on the left. Keep voting. Not just for the president either.

              • Ado@lemmy.world
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                11 months ago

                To what end??? We vote them in and they still refuse to do shit like codify Roe lmao. Vote harder is not a solution to the problem of our representatives failing to represent us

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                  11 months ago

                  I mean if they’d been voted in there wouldn’t be a republican majority supreme court and roe wouldn’t have been overturned in the first place.

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                    If dems codified roe like they promised they would, that wouldn’t matter

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                  To what end???

                  To make a better world, dipshit

                  Ever see a Democratic stronghold state? Guess what they all have codified into law?

                  All this “democrats wouldn’t give it to us even if they could” is particularly stupid because it is demonstrably false. Plenty of Democrat led states already have abortion rights. And living wage laws. And consumer protection. And stronger health care support. And free community college. And and and

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                    What you think is a better world, maybe. Democrats don’t do nearly enough to provide progress at the rate we deserve, they throw scraps to make it lesser of two evils. If you want incremental change, and usually 1 step forward and 2 steps back, then keep doing what you’re doing, dipshit

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      All they needed to do during that time would be to have all three branches of government, with 60+ Senators, and every Democrat would need to be on board with the legislation and felt it was necessary to pass while RvW was being used to uphold the right without legislation.

      There was no appealing to Republicans during that time on abortion because they were all lock step in opposing any Dem actions, especially things like this, and the system is already set up to make it very difficult for a small majority to pass anything. After a couple decades of RvW being established, why put in the effort to fail when there were other things that were not already set by precedent which would only go away if conservatives stacked the court with people who make up rulings out of nonsense?

      While the Dems come across as wet noodles because they are allowed to not agree, this is something that was impossible for them to pull off at a national level due to Republican obstruction and abortion being one of the main Republican topics that did not allow their members to compromise in any way.

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        What’s the point of a political party that doesn’t vote in lockstep on major issues? Why should I support them if they can’t be counted on to deliver?

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      So like… yeah, sure, that’s true. At the same time overturning a judicial precedent this well established is an absolute first, and public support for Roe v Wade started relatively low and has been steadily growing since then.

      So when you’ve got all kinds of immediate, pressing issues, why waste a narrow political margin on alienating a big swathe of voters by publicly confirming a right that everyone already has?

      I can’t fault any individual administration for not focusing on this… I can fault the voters, though.

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          Not any of the materials I’ve received until recently, and those folks have been spamming me for the better part of 20 years.

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      Yeah, but if that was done they could use it to threaten people into voting for milquetoast moderates…

      And it’s a pretty safe bet a lot of them didn’t actually want to pass it for personal reasons anyways.

      We need to normalize a competitive primary, otherwise people can go decades between choosing the incumbent or a republican for state/Senate seats.

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      But if they made human rights not fragile, how are they gonna scare people into voting for the lesser evil?