• magnetosphere@fedia.io
    2442·
    2 个月前

    As much as I love science, and I’d much rather see billions spent on a collider than war, I gotta admit this is funny as hell.

  • ID411@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    1611·
    2 个月前

    “Ok, but what does this collider do, that the one you have in the garage won’t do ?”

    Mrs Cern.

    • A7thStone@lemmy.world
      341·
      2 个月前

      This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

      -Dwight D. Eisenhower

        • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
          10·
          2 个月前

          His foreign relations record includes a hell of a lot of ratfucking the third world, including being so paranoid about communism he ended up pushing quite a few nations into the Soviet sphere when the coups didn’t work (Cuba, cough cough cough) and directly enabling some of history’s greatest monsters when they did, but he is an American president so grade that on a curve I guess

          • A7thStone@lemmy.world
            6·
            2 个月前

            Exactly. I like Ike, in comparison to other U.S. presidents. He had some good ideas, but we have a really shitty track record with the rest of the world, and he’s no exception to that.

      • JasSmith@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        2 个月前

        Yeah, if history has taught as nothing else, it’s that the guy with the biggest stick usually wins. There are many criticisms of the U.S. military, but no one could accuse it of being weak. That kind of deterrence is invaluable.

        • Allero@lemmy.today
          3·
          2 个月前

          If only they wouldn’t use that force to invade half the planet…

          The peace of Americans is paid for by the terror of dozens of nations. It ain’t cool.

            • Allero@lemmy.today
              1·
              2 个月前

              My fear is, this approach is unsustainable in general, and cannot be effectively applied for global security.

              It’s not just US military being poorly led.

      • Allero@lemmy.today
        32·
        2 个月前

        You are fucking beasts

        The purpose of military is always dual: to deflect other country’s military and to “protect national interests” (read: attack another country that now has to have military too, and may consider using it for an attack).

        Wildly assuming you are American, you should have no issue understanding that defensive forces are not really always defensive.

        • 33550336@lemmy.world
          11·
          2 个月前

          I am from Europe, from country invaded by nazi Germany so I know well what means an oppressive use of army. But could you give an alternative to the army?

          • Allero@lemmy.today
            3·
            2 个月前

            Uhm…no army?

            We have to push politicians to drive UN-scale policies on demilitarization - not this playful “lemme dismantle 10 rockets and call it a day” demilitarization, but a real effort - and expanding mutual defence-type alliance (could be NATO expansion if they’re gonna get their shit together, or a new bigger alliance) to as many countries as humanly possible in order to reduce their need to rely on their own armies and drastically reduce armed manpower globally.

            Switzerland-like militias can help in the transitional period.

            • 33550336@lemmy.world
              1·
              2 个月前

              I wonder how Switzerland militia would deal with Russian tanks and rockets.

              Uhm…no army?

              After the Russian invasion do you really believe than all countries in the world will become peaceful and any of them will ever try to invade another?

              • Allero@lemmy.today
                3·
                2 个月前

                Which is why I suggested transition into a worldwide military alliance first. One that would cover Ukraine, and even Russia at the end of the conflict if it would like to join.

                Any sort of aggression, from members or non-members, should be met with united forces. With such circumstances, you really won’t need that much, even if your plan is to keep forces like US or China at bay, not to mention Russia.

                Militias should be there not as a force that can solely defeat an army, but as a stopping force for the initiation of the conflict, while logistics is busy moving troops. And yes - Switzerland is actually equipped to deal with Russian tanks (see demolition of roadways) and rockets (see a vast network of bunkers).

    • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
      25·
      2 个月前

      Idk, I’m not sure I could get much use out of a particular accelerator even if I got it running. An aircraft carrier though might be joyride-able, and that I can understand. Might still be moot since both need a team, but if I get to have either one I’d have to at least think on it.

  • xenoclast@lemmy.world
    832·
    2 个月前

    If scientists had their way they’d have built the big one first. Or at least something reasonably larger than what they have… it’s politics that is capitalism and war that is the addiction preventing us from having nice things

    • mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world
      271·
      2 个月前

      I think the experience of building the previous smaller ones helped though. I think if you just go for the large one, it will probably fail or overrun the budget and we’ll have nothing to show for the money spent.

      • Zacryon@lemmy.wtf
        32·
        2 个月前

        Ah you mean unlike the many other wisely spent tax money and private investments which turned out to be something to show for? /s

  • ekZepp@lemmy.worldEnglish
    752·
    2 个月前

    Is not only about physics research. The complexity of those projects fund hundreds of sectors and push forward new technologies who will have many commercial use.

    …Also they’ve confirmed the existence of this little thing called Higgs Boson which field define pretty much reality, soo… not exactly wasted time.

    • GlenRambo@jlai.lu
      2·
      2 个月前

      Awesome. And with reality defined my daily existance and cost of living is. … Exactly the same and killing me. 🙃

    • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
      132·
      2 个月前

      Hopefully they can finally manufacture black holes. Because that would be totally safe for everyone 😉.

      • Ｃｏｌｏｒ 🎨@lemm.ee
        28·
        2 个月前

        Don’t worry! Though black holes may sound scary, microscopic black holes, the type that could hypothetically be produced by high-energy particle collisions such as this, would pretty much instantaneously (in approximately 10-27 seconds) evaporate due to the emission of Hawking radiation, before they could “suck up” anything. Cosmic rays of far higher intensities than what we could produce routinely collide with atoms in Earth’s atmosphere, so microscopic black holes could be happening daily in our atmosphere, we just never see them because they’re far too small and evaporate instantly.

        • Skates@feddit.nl
          7·
          2 个月前

          Hey you seem pretty knowledgeable so I’m gonna just ask - if these types of events happen regularly in earth’s atmosphere, why build particle colliders at all? Is it just to have control over when they’re triggered and to be able to observe the results? If so, wouldn’t it help to just launch more satellites that can observe when these things happen in the atmosphere? Sorry for the dumb questions, I’m very much a layman.

          • Ｃｏｌｏｒ 🎨@lemm.ee
            15·
            2 个月前

            Yup! It’s so they can view what happens when these particles collide as the collisions happen, using specialized detectors. The ATLAS detector at CERN weighs 7,000 tons and is huge.

            These reactions in the atmosphere happen very fast and are a bit chaotic. When a primary cosmic ray hits an atom in our atmosphere, it then sets off a chain reaction similar to billiard balls, resulting in “air showers”, which are cascades of subatomic particles, such as hadrons, photons, muons, electrons, as well as ionized nuclei. The colliders allow physicists to view these kinds of reactions under controlled conditions right as the reactions happen, and can adjust things such as the energies. There’s an array of detectors in Argentina which can detect the particles released by an air shower

      • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world
        10·
        2 个月前

        Well no danger of that. We certainly cannot do it on terrestrial scales. No way, no how. Not even with fusion and a collider ring wrapped around the equator. It still requires vastly higher energies.

        Even if we could make a kugelblitz black hole right here, it would instantly fall out of reach through the Earth while barely interacting at all with any other particles. On the Planck scale, particles are mostly empty space. We wouldn’t even get to study it.

        The best way to build one is to surround a star with millions of orbital mirrors, then focus all the light onto a single point in space, with an accuracy of nanometers, if not picometers. Focusing enough energy on a single point will cause a tiny black hole to form. It’s probably impossible to do by accident.

      • ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub
        7·
        2 个月前

        There are plenty of natural particles colliders, such as black holes or very dense stars, that are way more powerful than our engineered particle colliders, which (observationally) don’t create black holes around them

      • Rin@lemm.ee
        4·
        2 个月前

        Similar reactions produced by particle accelerators are constantly happening all around us, and isn’t just limited to extreme conditions like around black holes. This is just the same thing but at a much smaller and more controlled scale, and last I checked the sun hasn’t produced any world ending black holes despite the far more extreme reactions constantly happening within it. A man even survived a high energy proton beam from one of those accelerators passing through his brain and was able to continue his career in quantum physics, so at that point I doubt they’re capable of anything world ending.

      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
        41·
        2 个月前

        They posit that yes, black holes could be formed, but they’re so small they evaporate pretty much instantly. They don’t have the mass to survive.

      • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 个月前

        There’s 1 in a trillion trillion chance! So we should be glad we’re not all beautiful beach body people married to the most wonderful and irresistibly sexy megalonymphomaniac people that just want to hump us every single second of the rest of our lives in all possible ways, all of us 8 billion people together. Because if that ever happened, it could only mean one thing, the end of the world as we know it would be coming in the form of a tiny black hole.

    • BambiDiego@lemmy.world
      26·
      2 个月前

      Yes, trains!

      Maybe in a very, very large circular track. A huge circle.

      And fast. Super fast. Make them faster by making them lighter. Smaller. Super tiny. So light and fast.

      A teeny, tiny, light train going super duper fast in a very large circle.

      Sure hope it doesn’t smack into anything while going top speed. Or maybe it does, so long as we measure it.

    • nicoweio@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 个月前

      There’s this (true) anecdote that precision measurements at CERN/LHC need to take into account the schedule of high-speed trains in the area because they cause tiny, yet measurable disturbances in the power grid.

    • loics2@lemm.ee
      2·
      2 个月前

      We already have plenty of trains in Switzerland, they’re just expensive to ride

      • ThePyroPython@lemmy.world
        9·
        2 个月前

        Contractor, scratching head:

        Hey boss, are you sure they got the dimensions right in this drawing of their new proton smasher?

        Next to the scale it just says “GIRTHY”.

  • PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
    43·
    2 个月前

    What would happen if we put a small collider inside of a bigger collider and spun it around while it spun around?

  • Kiosade@lemmy.ca
    371·
    2 个月前

    This is starting to turn into some Full Metal Alchemist shit. If you know, you know.