• starman2112@sh.itjust.works
    59·
    1 month ago

    70% of the market. Half of those computers can’t even run windows 11. Good to see Microsoft taking charge in the fight against the environment by asking tens of millions of people to throw away their perfectly good computers and buy new ones

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      16·
      1 month ago

      For real. I’m genuinely trying to grasp why. Is it seriously just so they can require secure boot and then say Windows 11 is secure from ransomware even though that’s a feature of the motherboard and not the OS?

      • BCsven@lemmy.ca
        18·
        1 month ago

        They have added so much ad stuff and other garbage that the OS is slowing down, to combat the user perception that the OS is slow they have increased the hardware requirement.

      • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
        11·
        1 month ago

        The home-user PC market has been hit HARD by smartphones and tablets. Suburban families no longer have a desktop in a home office plus a laptop for each member of the family. They may have a laptop, and it’s probably a Mac.

        This decision is too make people buy new devices or upgrade to an OS that has a lot more tracking built in.

        Microsoft is pressing AI and other data-scraping tech hard, but they’re necessarily going to have to have enterprise and government licenses that allow admins to block those features for legal and security reasons.

        So they desperately need new home users they can data-mine.

  • Bongles@lemm.ee
    44·
    1 month ago

    So…

    Windows 10: the “last” windows version

    Release Windows 11, requires specific hardware that you can’t realistically add to your existing PC. But Windows 10 will keep being updated

    Windows 10 is not getting anymore updates

    Love it, no notes.

    • drislands@lemmy.world
      19·
      1 month ago

      To be fair, my understanding is the “10 is the last version” idea came from a developer speaking in an unofficial capacity and the media ran with it. It may have never been true.

      • jj4211@lemmy.world
        10·
        1 month ago

        While that is technically true, Microsoft didn’t really make any effort to correct the misunderstanding, despite it being a widely reported story in tech.

        I suspect they had a legitimate faction that was going to say “rolling release” and so they let it go.

      • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
        5·
        1 month ago

        It was definitely an official capacity because it was a Microsoft conference, but his phrasing was more like “latest” even though he said last. I think they misspoke.

  • HouseWolf@lemm.eeEnglish
    431·
    1 month ago

    Windows 10 LTSC 2021 edition has support until January 13th 2032.

    I’d obviously prefer if more people gave Linux a try but if you’re literally forced to use Windows then it’s probably your best option right now.

    • Switorik@lemmy.zip
      161·
      1 month ago

      If my Nvidia graphics card played nicely, I would.

      It’s my #1 complaint with Linux… Well Nvidia.

      • miss phant@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        26·
        1 month ago

        Progress in that regard is actually pretty rampant lately, I can imagine by the time Windows 10 is EOL it will be no different from AMD.

            • Switorik@lemmy.zip
              2·
              1 month ago

              Well now you have me wanting to try it again.

              The main issue I’ve been having is getting two monitors to work.

              Install Linux, one monitor works. Let’s try changing the driver, permanent black screen.

              Reinstall Linux, well maybe I can make one monitor work. Nope. Let’s try and change the driver using the terminal. Oh black screen again.

              Ok I’ll only use Linux for coding on one monitor, Windows update somehow lost the boot loader for Linux. I’m not good on grub so I just removed Linux afterwards.

              I have another older computer, still Nvidia. Let’s do a clean install. No windows, just Linux. Configure proton on steam, hmm it doesn’t launch games. It just says starting then nothing. No errors. Let’s try different compatibilities, still no errors.

              What I experienced is, Linux doesn’t tell you what You’re doing wrong, it just doesn’t work. Which isn’t going to work for the majority of computer users.

              If something is having an issue, I want to know why, which unfortunately and fortunately Windows does a good job on.

              • Petter1@lemm.ee
                2·
                1 month ago

                I found the best working linux for me is endeavorOS, which istalls Arch and package manager yay If you want to install anything just write yay „anything“ and choose what to install from the list (google „aur „answer to anything“ „ to check which answer is the app you want) For installing proprietary NVIDIA drivers, there is a tool preinstalled (have to google the name) if you really want.

                • Switorik@lemmy.zip
                  2·
                  1 month ago

                  I’ll try endeavor next time.

                  If I can get overwatch and steam games to work, I would leave Windows in a heart beat. But I’m also at the point in my life where I can’t spend hours troubleshooting.

      • HouseWolf@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        1 month ago

        What card you using? I have a RTX 3080 and it’s worked fine on Endeavour/KDE (besides Wayland)

      • BReel@lemmy.one
        1·
        1 month ago

        Not sure what you have, what your trying to do, and am pretty new to Linux myself, but I’m running KDE neon with a 3070, and after a little work to get drivers updated I’ve had minimal issues!

        I’m not doing anything too crazy though, mostly web browsing and gaming is all.

  • Matriks404@lemmy.world
    29·
    1 month ago

    I like how they end support for OS without providing an upgrade for a lot of people. Might as well put a Linux ad in their “Your PC is not supported” bullshit.

    • ArtificialLink@lemy.lol
      7·
      1 month ago

      My laptop which is still perfectly usable doesn’t have support for 11. Im probably gonna switch to mint or popos but I know lots of ppl that dont have new laptops and they just fucked? And there are tons of end users that just have no desire to learn some of the intricacies of linux even if it is something mostly simple like mint. They’re gonna have to support security updates when they see the adoption numbers. Just like they had to do with 7 till they basically got to 10.

      • Demdaru@lemmy.world
        11·
        1 month ago

        Now now, let’s keep honest here. They did provide option to install Win 11 on unsupported hardware. It’s just slightly hidden, prolly to avoid people bricking their pc’s an blaming MS. And also it won’t update.

  • eletes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    23·
    1 month ago

    All these gaming anti-cheats better become Linux compatible cause I’m definitely not upgrading to 11

    • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
      33·
      1 month ago

      Anti cheat is about the only thing that doesn’t work but I see that as a bonus. Anti cheat is more like a virus than it ever has been with the rootkit thing.

    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
      4·
      1 month ago

      If enough people switch then they’ll be forced to support it

      Unfortunately users tend to have a “once they support a platform I’m not on then I’ll swap” mentality

    • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      1 month ago

      EAC and Battleye both can work with Proton, the developers just need to set it up. Those two cover most of the gaming anticheat market. Battleye should be as simple as the dev telling Battleye to turn on Proton support and EAC should be an SDK upgrade.

      It’s all relatively easy to support Linux, people just need to pressure developers to make it happen.

  • Dizzy Devil Ducky@lemm.eeEnglish
    221·
    1 month ago

    All jokes aside, after hearing that EOL is coming to Win10 this October, I have decided over the summer, before fall quarter is in and I’m back to start my 2nd year of college, that I would definitely be taking everything I need/want off of my desktop and switch to something like mint or MX because of how simple and user friendly they’ve been to me as someone who’s only been using Linux for maybe 2-3 years. Only things I would I need are dedicated time and personal drive to pull that off and a new external drive for storing all my files.

      • Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        1 month ago

        For web browsing, that almost makes no difference. As long as the browser is being updated, the most important attack vectors are closed. Even if there are any exploitable vulnerabilities on the OS, that will stop malware from even getting to them.

        • Opisek@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 month ago

          Absolute joke of a comment. You are assuming the browser is a holy grail completely isolating the internet from the operating system.

          First of all. The browser runs on the operating system’s services. In particular, the isolation that you implicitly cite is done entirely by the kernel. (That’s for example why you cannot run chrome in an unprivileged docker container - the crucial isolation-centered system calls are not available) The whole network stack is managed by the operating system. Cryptography can also partially be done OS-sided. The simplest example is CSPRNG, which is usually provided by the OS. (Advanced systems may rely on external physical generators, see Cloudflare’s lava lamps).

          Secondly. Completely and utterly wrong. The linked video displays the execution of Meltdown/Spectre within a browser. Using JavaScript. This allows the attacker to gain access to any data they want on your computer simply by running some JavaScript code. Easily remotely executed via XSS on a poorly written website. You may read the full article here. Or inform yourself about Meltdown and Spectre here. How is that relevant? Combating this vulnerability was primarily done via critical OS updates. The exploits are inherit to certain CPUs and are therefore not fully fixable. Still, the combination of BIOS, Chipset, OS, and browser updates help prevent very serious attack vectors. (That’s the reason why the browser’s time measurement is only accurate to about the millisecond.)

          So no. Browsers aren’t the magic solution to everything (sorry Ubuntu Snap). They very much depend on the OS providing the assumed security guarantees. And even assuming no direct vulnerabilities in the OS, we can never exclude side-channel attacks, like what Meltdown and Spectre were (or still are if you refuse to update your system).