Looking for somewhere to discuss stuff that doesn’t swing right or left and doesn’t ban people for voicing an opinion.
From your comments here, you’re clearly not “politically neutral”
How so?
Because your politics is clearly conservative.
“Non-political” means “no lefty stuff” 90% of the time. Don’t even gotta look at comment history but I’m gonna anyway to confirm my bias.
Edit: 4 minute diagnosis: they recognize the right is generally insane and don’t identify with it while holding positions such as “Israel is defending itself” and “we shouldn’t normalize transgenders and should treat dysphoria instead of enabling it,” which translated to plain speak means conversion therapy.
No - there is no such thing.
Everything is political, even the desire for an apolitical space.
I understand, but maybe I should have said “neutral moderation to an extent”
This post reminds me of an old adage I heard about driving. “Everyone that drives slower than me is an idiot, and everyone that drives faster is a maniac”
As others are saying, your middle ground is someone else’s extreme.
Well I was 2 day banned from Reddit saying I disagree with a ruling that was in favour with a transgender person and that I don’t agree with the ideals of transgenders.
I got a 2 day ban for harassment and abuse, appealed it as it was not, and then got a permaban.
I don’t agree with the ideals of transgenders.
What does that even mean?
From my perspective trans people just want people to stop weaponizing the government against them. It’s just the latest bs moral panic to keep people distracted on culture war nonsense instead of actually trying to change anything of substance for the better.
It means that social media and now some public institutions enable transgenders to not seek mental health support for their gender dysphoria, and continue to act out. It’s really sad and I want them to get help.
Don’t really see how you have come to that conclusion. Lots of institutions in conservative states are making it harder for trans people to get treatment rather than the inverse. Honestly this reads more like concern trolling.
I don’t live in the USA, but that’s why I’d never vote for them.
Ok, so what institutions from your area do you feel block trans people from getting medical care?
I never said that , I said gender dysphoria is being enabled instead of being encouraged to seek treatment.
I thought there was a mental health component in the preparation/decision process prior to transitioning.
That’s like, 90% of it
So OP lives in a place where this isn’t the case? I understand being upset about that.
There’s a big difference between “I wouldn’t choose that,” and “They should be prevented by force from choosing that.”
What you’re looking for is a hate group. You can advocate not just judicial rulings limiting the freedom of minority groups, but for disposing of the minorities once and for all. If that’s too extreme then you’ll just need to tolerate them. Be better than those that didn’t tolerate your hatred.
No I am not. I never said I hate transgender people. you are not putting words in my mouth
There’s been no rulings granting a transgender rights greater than another. It’d have been global news, the consequences of which would still be cascading through the judicial system.
So, when this transgender person was granted what may have been, after an arduous battle, equality in one situation, you disagreed.
What defines humans from other animals is complex communication and it’s derivatives. I need not know the transgender person, be transgender myself, or even have a gay friend to feel basic human sympathy and empathy for them. That’s the minimum human response: neutrality, equality. Anything less is animalistic hatred.
Edit: I’ve passed judgement on just this perspective you hold, not on you as a person. If I didn’t believe you valuable I’d not have invested the time to explain why I expect more and believe you capable.
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It’s extremely had to be politically neutral for a global community.
The centre of the political spectrum in one country might be left/right in another.
Then comes the extreme ideologies, are they trolling or genuine? Is that opinion considered hateful in some countries?
It’s a complete minefield. Why would someone without an agenda to push even try? Most neutrals would just say ‘no politics’.
Really well put. Totally agree that once a community grows large enough there is no single mindset for every topic.
If by asking for a neutral place you are asking for somewhere that conservatives with hateful, childish, and dangerous beliefs that have no quantifiable basis in reality can go where they won’t be treated like children… shrugs
Not anywhere I will spend my time, conservatives can stay in their lame isolated pockets on the fediverse, the rest of the fediverse is for people who actually have functioning capacities for empathy and want to have adult conversations that adhere to reality.
Sounds like you’re trying to make this an isolated pocket in the fediverse with that hatred you spread.
What makes a man turn neutral?
Chronic depression, bitterness, apathy
Apathy.
Or was he just born with a heart full of neutrality?
Aren’t we all?
No, only the Swiss.
Ah, jä.
Switzerland was neutral! We need to be more like Germany - ambitious and misunderstood
“I’m apolitical” == “I have political opinions that are too extremist even for political parties”
So because I don’t agree with the ideals of transgenders or immigration, I’m extreme? What?
Hmm.
What are the “ideals of transgenders?” The right to exist, free from persecution? If you’re opposed to basic human dignity and rights which you’d be really pissed about it someone tried to take them away from you, then, yeah. That’s a fairly extremist view.
Immigration… well, I can at least understand the thought process. But unless you’re Native American yourself, then that’s just fucking hypocritical. I wouldn’t say “extreme,” just more “asshole.” Like, you got yours, and fuck everyone else trying to get what your immigrant great-great-grandparents did - it’s a kind of dick attitude. If you are of indigenous descent, then sure: you get a free pass on that topic, from me, at least.
We should be able to discuss these topics, and I’ll agree Lemmy can be pretty hostile when it shouldn’t be. Lemmy’s got its own Overtone Window and it can be rather fascist about enforcing it. However, if you approach a controversial topic at least attempting to come across as open to debate, and not just ranting about cross-dressing Mexican laborers taking your job - and really depending on the instance and forum you post into, you stand a fair chance of having a decent discussion.
You’re not going to get much love going into a feminist community whining about affirmative action is actually just sexism in disguise, no matter what.
I’ll just point out that many of is are aware of the paradox of tolerance: intolerance cannot itself be tolerated, or the bigots will eventually win. So if you’re feeling as it you’re getting slapped down about some topics, maybe consider it your position is one of tolerance or intolerance, and know that Lemmy’s aware of the danger of allowing a Nazi to sit at the table with you.
I don’t agree that we should normalize transgenders in society and should instead encourage them to seek help with their gender dysphoria. I am against immigration because it is artificially increasing the cost of living in my country and raising the unemployment rate.
The best treatment we have for reducing suicide for transgender people is gender affirming care.
The cure for gender dysphoria is gender-affirming care, which includes treating human beings like human beings and allowing them a place in society.
There is a saying: “facts have a liberal bias”. :-) Some people ofc vehemently disagree.
Each instance is different, as is each community. Many do not follow their own rules, especially about “no politics allowed” but it creeps in everywhere. Tbf, modding is a hard job.
Though you can block communities that you don’t want to see in your feed, and even entire instances (it won’t stop people from them downvoting you or even commenting on your stuff, but it will stop notifications being sent to you when they do. Get to it via Settings -> Blocks -> Instance. Users and communities can be done similarly but it’s easier to just visit their page and hit the block button there. There’s a saying about that too: block early and often, for the sake of your sanity.
I don’t know about instances - there’s a lot to look at like lemm.ee, lemmy.cafe, reddthat.com, sh.itjust.works, etc. - but I hope this helped in other ways:-).
You could always start this if you can’t find it, could be interesting? c/middleground?
Edit: the center is going to mean different things to different people too.
No, because it goes against some of the rules alot of the lemmies have of they take a post out of context. I don’t agree immigration and I don’t agree with transgenders. I don’t hate them though. I’d still get banned for that
You repeating “I don’t hate them” over and over while at the same time attacking trans people at their core sounds a lot like you’re either in denial, or you’re aware that your position is an unpopular one. Either way, it sounds like you need to do some self discovery.
I don’t make comments for popularity, I make comments because I want to have a discussion.
There’s at least some parts of the lemmy community where those views are acceptable even if generally they’re frowned upon in the wider community. Maybe !debate@hilariouschaos.com ? The hilariouschaos instance seems relatively err… libertarian in their approach to free speech but still is widely federated to other instances. Not speaking from experience as I’m not subscribed to any of their communities but that was the impression I got.
Regardless of our current differences of opinion on transgender folks and (most kinds of) immigration, and the differences between you and the lemmy community at large I’d like to think it’s a big enough place that you’ll be able to find room here for respectful discussion, or start a community of your own on an instance where it can happen.
Yes , I am. The US right is so batshit that I’ve never found one I could even consider voting for. And most democrats in the US are to the right of my beliefs.
But I am pretty cenrterist in my policy beliefs.
Well Reddit is mostly left, twitter is super duper anti vaxx right and I dunno what it is here.
Lemmy.world is full of pro-China tankies, Russian trolls, ignorant dipshits who upvote islamic terrorism against Jews, troglodyte moronic moderators, and pearl-clutching self-censoring idiots.
Yeah the amount of people who are pro terrorism here are crazy. I think this place is even worse than Reddit going even harder left.
I’m fascinated by your claim to be neutral, and yet the words you type out are squarely right-wing talking points. You said “I don’t agree with the ideals of transgenders.” Then in another comment we find out you have a problem with immigration. And now you’re claiming that everyone who doesn’t want innocent Palestinian children to be bombed are pro-terrorism.
Your comments and post here are incredibly disingenuous. You’re not here for a discussion. You’re low-key trolling for an argument. I completely understand why you were banned from other places.
What? How did you get me saying Israel defending themsevles from terrorists is me calling for Israel to bomb children? What in tarnation?
It’s literally the comment I replied to.
Calling Hamas terrorists is me wanting children dead. Roger Roger.
no. unfortunately, it is just on… way past donkey kong.
I’m the small line in the middle.
The best advice is to be on communities on as many servers as possible. You can’t really obtain “political neutrality” heavy-handed-ly but in aggregate by getting as many viewpoints as possible it will be neutral in aggregate
