Maybe we need to take a step back, define herbicide and then go from there
OP who has been spam posting pro Biden memes for the past month in this sub
No idea what you’re referring to OP. Stop vague posting and say what’s on your mind.
supporting conservative genocide is just another way of saying you love your fellow humas
Time Traveller from 1993 (when this episode aired): “So, what’s 2024 like?”
“If you say you won’t support genocide, you get accused of being a Russian asset.”
Also an anti-Semite.
Or a sinophobe or a russophobe, or a bad sport depending on which genocide you deny.
It’s a fucked up state the world is in when all great powers have their own genocide which they deny.
Yeah, it sucks that no one talks about the Junta
Oh joy… I guess watching liberals pearl-clutching themselves into supporting colonialist genocide is going to be the dominant spectacle on this community until the hammer drops in November.
Yay.
Ah my favorite self flagellating liberal! What’s keeping you around this community, then? Is this easier than finally facing the mirror?
Ah my favorite self flagellating liberal!
Oh, you remember me? How flattering.
However, I don’t remember you… you liberals all sound the same to me, and, of course, that’s a you problem.
Now do conservatives…pray tell where does trump stand on genocide…to shreds you say.
You’re a fucking idiot.
Oh look over there! Anywhere but at the thing we could meaningfully stop right now!
right now!
How, pray tell?
Biden can stop the military aid. Indeed continuing to send aid is illegal under the Leahy Law and Foreign Assistance Act.
I remember Democrats told me that they would hold Biden’s feet to the fire. What happened with that?
They told anyone who tried that they were trump supporters, traitors to the country. A page straight out of the Bush White House during the Iraq War.
Now do conservative
Which part of…
I guess watching liberals pearl-clutching themselves into supporting colonialist genocide
…didn’t you understand?
So-called “conservatives” are liberals, Clyde. So-called “conservatives” buy into the exact same pro-capitalist, pro-colonialist ideology of liberalism that you buy into, Clyde.
The only difference between the people you call “liberals” and the people you call “conservatives” are that the latter is further along the “liberal-to-fascist” pipeline than you are.
The only difference between the people you call “liberals” and the people you call “conservatives” are that the latter is further along the “liberal-to-fascist” pipeline than you are.
For me to believe that, the fascists pipeline would only make aesthetic differences while you’re traveling inside.
It’s like the anarchists say - scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds.
Despite the trolls accusing people here of justifying it- I do t see anyone here is doing that. I’m pretty sure they know this, and this is what makes it hard to call them out for what they are doing. It’s like arguing with Christians.
They just misinterpret your words, rewrite them using their English-to-Troll filter, and shout them back at you once they say essentially the opposite of what you’re saying.
Example:
ME: “of course I don’t support genocide. But not voting for Biden isn’t going to stop it, and Donald ‘finish the job’ Trump is going to be far worse on Palestine than Biden could ever be!”
TROLL: “See! You support gEnOciDe!”
Now, you could accuse me of doing exactly what I’m accusing them of, but I’d urge you to look through my recent comment history. Somewhere between yesterday and today- you can see this exact thing happening.
The point is. From what I can see, NO ONE here is supporting genocide. The ones in other communities that do, get banned pretty quickly. And anyone that is accusing people of it, are proving to everyone that they aren’t here to discuss things rationally- because they’re starting from a complete and total lack of rationale.
Yeah no one should take them seriously. I just feel bad for the real person I dismiss by accident who has legitimate criticisms and thinks the moral thing is to vote for who they like even if that person has 0% to win.
There are just too many trolls though to endlessly engage all of them though just in case some of them are engaging in good faith.
They’re not who they pretend to be, they’re right-wing trolls from /pol or wherever trying to influence the election for their side
Some of them certainly are.
It’s pretty easy to tell by the way they write. The sort of pseudo-clever, meme-y, derivative Twitch-speak you’d hear among gamers and mgtow types, mixed with a feeble attempt to sound like a tankie
Meanwhile:
“I support the Green party.”
“So what you’re really saying is, you think everyone should not vote on election day, or vote for Trump.”
We have First Past the Post. You support Trump, Biden, or violent revolution – those are the choices
Trump supports violent revolution, just the wrong one.
Nope, that isn’t how math works. A vote for the Green Party is equivalent to not voting at all. Lying about it and stamping your feet won’t change anyone’s opinion. Also you guys always assume the GP voters are a subset of democrats when in reality most of them are not. Most would not vote for democrats if their first choice were taken away.
They’re just a convenient excuse for you whenever Dems lose because it’s easier to blame them than to hold dem leadership accountable for their very obvious and repeated failures. And it’s surely easier than holding yourself accountable for constantly nominating weak candidates. I mean you all got handed fucking Obama and still fought tooth and nail against him in the primary because you’re so scared of even slightly rocking the boat. Dem voters are gigantic cowards and enablers
You will not shame people into voting for Biden, it’s actually insane to see you all trot out this failed tactic yet again
This seems like a misplaced rant? But anyway, go read up on First Past the Post and understand why it is the shittiest voting system. We will never make real progress as long as it is in place.
In a perfect world, that option would be viable. However, if you look around- and pay attention, it’s not. And it’s not even remotely close.
I’d be all over a third party option if there was even a small chance they’d succeed. But they can’t. And this isn’t an opinion. Vote third party and yeah- hate to say it but you are throwing away a vote. And it’s not a big stretch to understand how a non vote or a third party vote FACTUALLY benefits Trump.
I fucking hate that this is how it is, but I’d rather live in the real world than believe in my own reality.
You lost me when you lied about non-votes “fAcTuAlLy” benefitting trump. That is a blatant falsehood that assumes people would automatically vote for Biden instead. Your fear mongering and dishonesty won’t win over a single vote.
It’s not a lie. It very much is a fact:
Read this when you get a chance. It explains it much better than I could.
Shut the fuck up troll
Sure but because of my begged question, you’re actually saying something else.
I see tenforward is leaking…
I approve.
Much like the federation, it’s their duty to explore and trade culture with far away, strange cultures. Much like here in our c/politicalmemes, a lot is different but there are many similarities to the c/tenforward they call home. They have families, jobs, sometimes get trapped in the pattern buffer, cloned, or stacked by a macrovirus . . Just like here.
The only thing that shocked and appalled Riker was Picard pulling the women he really wanted.
Lul, didn’t even notice this is politicalmemes
Yep, this is definitely Ten Forward. It’s a bullshit dogwhistle designed to help Donald Trump get elected and do more genocide, so it can’t be from Risa, it must be from the crappy one.
Imagine being so demented that you think genocide is a dog whistle
Hey at least I’m not a genocide supporter like all the people on Lemmy who pretend to complain about Biden’s genocide so they can get Trump to do more genocide
No, it’s not. I’d suggest you look into OP’s post history and maybe delete this dumb accusation.
A rabid dog growls when nobody’s whistling, so to speak.
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Look up the definition of genocide, you stupid and way too obvious groiper dummies
any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
© Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Article 3 defines the crimes that can be punished under the convention:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
© Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.
Hey, how complicit do you figure someone is if they keep sending military aid, knowing they’re being used in war crimes and knowing the government receiving them is openly talking about clearing all the “bad people” out so they can build settlements?
Can we get a source please? I’ll just assume you got that from some Tankie forum where all the avatars are manga characters
So you looked it up! It’s the first step on your long journey to understanding it.
Whichever way you vote, this will continue to happen. Sobering thought, eh?
This isn’t totally true, but it’s partially true. If Trump wins the American election, he will double down support for Israel and completely write off all those who oppose them as terrorists.
Biden is just kind of apologetically supporting them because he’s a weak leader that can’t afford to rock the boat. He does weakly push back often, it’s just nowhere near what we want or need.
If Biden actually wins the election, he may actually end American support. I’m of the opinion he’s afraid of offending democrats and independents that support Israel, thus losing him the election (since he’s barely ahead in the polls.) Most of us are still going to vote for him despite this, because Trump is far worse… You can’t say that about the people who support Isreal.
Biden is the #1 whore of israel. He’s been sucking their dick for his entire career.
Biden is just kind of apologetically supporting them because he’s a weak leader that can’t afford to rock the boat … If Biden actually wins the election, he may actually end American support
No, he is ideologically committed to supporting Israel. He has said this multiple times and I see no reason to disbelieve him. I think it’s equally likely Trump would stop supporting Israel because of America First/antisemitism, which is to say, so unlikely as to be impossible.
Yeah, Trump himself has no policy commitments. He’ll say whatever he thinks is popular biased on the last thing he’s seen on television. In office, he delivers bog-standard republican policy because that’s who his cabinet gets filled with.
I don’t see Biden changing his stance on arming Israel. Trump could, but the question is whether would it last long enough to actually affect policy.
There are no quick solutions or permanent victories, unfortunately. Which is why civic education is so important, and so frustratingly undertaught.
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I think I could find it in me to justify geocide of the Jem’Hadar.
(Since this is not a Star Trek board: The Jem’Hadar are a genetically engineered race, made by the Dominion. Their purpose is to be ruthless soldiers. They are engineered without emotions, or any care for human-like values, and so they inevitably have no sense of ethics. They are managed in two ways: first, the need for a drug-like protein that only the Dominion can synthesize; and second, a predisposition to recognize the Founders of the Dominion as their slavemasters.)
But any race, even a race with a proven tendency to be assholes, like the Cardassians, deserves a chance.
As for Palestinians, it’s not even close. They should obviously be considered innocent civilians. If I were to make inferences about who was the more evil race based on the current war, I would be much more likely to pick Israelis because of their current kill count of civilians.
But we don’t make such inferences. They’re all humans. They’re way more closely related than Bajorans vs Cardassians. They all evolved on the same planet, are the same species, with a very recent common ancestor. It’s due to their upbringing, education, and circumstances that Hamas and IDF both wish to commit genocide, and it’s due to external funding that IDF has been more successful at it.
You need a revisit of DS9.
Jem’hadar had their own set of internal rules and even disagreements on how to interpret or execute orders. The drug was used to ensure absolute control because they could evolve in a cultural or spiritual sense.
The Jem’Hadar were capable of going against their programming once their Ketracel addiction was treated. You don’t need genocide.
The Jem’Hadar were not without emotions. In Hippocratic Oat we see that. I’d argue that the fact that they’re an enslaved race Surely it’s better to be working to break them free of that enslavement, rather than committing genocide.
But then again I think Janeway’s genocide of the Borg was wrong too.
I tend to agree with don’t genocide The Borg, but how do you deal with The Borg? The just keep coming back stronger, and they’re kinda antithetical to the whole idea of free will.
Generally a good take, I just wished you hadn’t used the word “race”, because the concept of race itself is only a thing among racists, and we should not use that kind of language.
If you took this out of the context of being on lemmy, it would be impossible to tell which side this came from.
What the fuck are you smoking?
Outside of shitty Israeli propaganda, no-one thinks Israel is under the threat of genocide.
And who think that Israel is committing one? The rest of the fucking world.
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven.
— Desmond Tutu
“What the fuck are you smoking” is an ad hominem designed to distract from my undeniably true point, specifically: that both sides are similar in using unfair allegations of defending genocide to dismiss more nuanced beliefs of the other side.
Outside of shitty Israeli propaganda, no-one thinks Israel is under the threat of genocide.
This is called a motte-and-bailey fallacy. You’re taking my point implying that both sides accuse the other of defending genocide and then wanna say I’m suggesting Israel is under threat of genocide. These are different things. You use a different thing because if you were to address the actual point, which again is undeniably true, you would have a very hard time.
To be clear, the “genocide” Israel supporters (unfairly) accuse others of defending is the Hamas attack on Israel, where Hamas killed unarmed civilians at close range, proudly recording it on video. I don’t mean to imply you can’t figure that out on your own, but you kinda forced me to point it out.
And if you say “but people who are protesting Israel aren’t defending Hamas attacking Israeli civilians, but are defending the right of the Palestinian civilians to remain alive”, then you understand completely. Now try swapping the relevant ethno-religious tribes.
You don’t understand what tbe words “ad hominem” or “genocide”
Mean.
You’re a little kid larping a philosopher. Badly.
To be clear, the “genocide” Israel supporters (unfairly) accuse others of defending is the Hamas attack on Israel, where Hamas killed unarmed civilians at close range, proudly recording it on video
In a highly charged ruling in January, the court ordered Israel to do everything in its power to prevent genocidal acts in Gaza
Again, you don’t seem to understand what “genocide” means.
It’s not “both sides”. “Both sides” do not have cases in the ICC about being accused of genocide. Both sides do not have convictions from the ICC that they need to do all the can to stop genocidal actions being undertaken.
You genocide defenders make me fucking sick. Grow some balls and question your brainwashing.
Ad hominem = attacking the person rather than the argument. Like “you’re a little kid…” The fact that you feel the need to accuse someone you’ve never seen of being a kid instead of pointing out what’s actually wrong with what I’m saying should be seen as evidence that you are desperately flailing, pathetically grasping for straws to build an argument from when you clearly have nothing. Instead, it’s getting upvoted, for some reason.
Everything else you say is completely and absolutely non-responsive, internet tropes in place of argument. You completely ignore the whole point of my argument, which is that you replaced my argument with another argument and argued against that instead, and proceeded to argue against an argument that was never made in the exact way I described.
Forget Israel and Palestine, the fact that this illogical Trumpian debate tactic shit is getting upvoted is the new thing that disturbs me. We’re truly fucked as a species.
Yes, “rather than”. Do you know what those words mean?
It doesn’t mean the same as “in addition to”, does it?
“Everything else you say is completely…”
You are the one pulling an ad hominem, not me. You ignore my answer to your “argument” and go on to attack my person. Your entire argument is “without the context of the site we’re on, no-one could know what this is referring to”, as if this was some sort of “both sides” bullshit, which you claim to despise.
It’s not. Everyone knows Israel is genociding Palestine and not a single reasonable person would argue that Palestine is trying to genocide Israel.
https://press.un.org/en/2024/ga12599.doc.htm
During the day-long discussion, speakers were near-unanimous in demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and warning against the catastrophic consequences of Israel’s assault on Rafah, where more than 1.5 million have congregated. Many underscored that while the adopted resolution represents the first step towards fulfilling the international community’s obligations to Palestine, ensuring its full UN membership is imperative.
Israel’s assault on Rafah.
Fuck your equivocating teenage propaganda bullshit.
You are the one pulling an ad hominem, not me. You ignore my answer to your “argument” and go on to attack my person.
No I didn’t, everything was specific to your argument. I said nothing about you. As for your argument, well I guess I’m glad that I’m promoted to teenager now.
Your entire argument is “without the context of the site we’re on, no-one could know what this is referring to”, as if this was some sort of “both sides” bullshit, which you claim to despise.
But the argument I’m making is that both sides are guilty of claiming the other side is defending genocide not that both sides are guilty of committing genocide right now. The argument that one side is defending genocide is bad faith, as other than a few extremists nobody on either side is actually defending genocide.
id…” The fact that you feel the need to accuse someone you’ve never seen of being a kid instead of pointing out what’s actually wrong
INSTEAD OF
I very clearly pointed out what’s wrong with your.
But the argument I’m making is that both sides are guilty of claiming the other side is defending genocide
“Both sides”
See. You’re pulling the ridiculous “both sides” bullshit.
The argument that one side is defending genocide is bad faith
No it isn’t. You’re just pretending it is, willfully ignoring the reality of the situation. Israel is most definitely defending a genocide.
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.
THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — Accused of committing genocide against Palestinians, Israel insisted at the United Nations’ highest court Friday that its war in Gaza was a legitimate defense of its people and that it was Hamas militants who were guilty of genocide.
More than 23,000 people in Gaza have been killed during Israel’s military campaign, according to the Health Ministry in the Hamas-run territory. That toll does not distinguish between civilians and combatants. Nearly 85% of Gaza’s people have been driven their homes, a quarter of the enclave’s residents face starvation, and much of northern Gaza has been reduced to rubble.
… this amounts to genocide and is part of decades of Israeli oppression of Palestinians.
“The scale of destruction in Gaza, the targeting of family homes and civilians, the war being a war on children, all make clear that genocidal intent is both understood and has been put into practice. The articulated intent is the destruction of Palestinian life,” said lawyer Tembeka Ngcukaitobi, adding that several leading politicians had made dehumanizing comments about people in Gaza.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976
#Rights expert finds ‘reasonable grounds’ genocide is being committed in Gaza
From the river to the sea, Israel shell be free!
I’m joking but Israeli politicians do use similar rhetoric to justify wiping out Palestine
You can say that all you want as long as you accept you have to vote for it.
Let me put it this way - there’s no justification for what Israel is doing or our continued support of Israel. There’s also no justification for welcoming fascism into the US.
This whole shitshow is a stain on our souls, collectively and individually. It’s all we can do to make the least bad choice, and then work towards it not being forced on us again.
Then we can enjoy some entirely new and unforeseen shitshow to torment us.
It’s shitshows and stains on your soul until you die.
Does anyone have proof there is a genocide and can explain me?
Let’s buy this guy a one way ticket to Gaza
You see Israel is brutalizing Gaza and somehow it is exclusively Joe Bidens fault. Oh, and people voting Biden over Trump in November, its our fault too, half way across the world making zero decisions about it and the like.
Can you explain in more detailwhayt brutalizing is done more specificly?
Yeah I’m still waiting on these groipers to supply anything of substance to their lame troll attempts from 2020
