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Mastodon is the most stable social network I have used in a long time. Love it!
Everyone is okay. I haven’t even seen sinophobia yet
1989 Tianneman square protests
It’s here unfortunately, but unlike reddit, opposing opinions aren’t modded out.
But that’s just like, your opinion
That’s a lot of people that are realizing Silicon Valley is full of shit
Certainly full of detached CEO’s
Who are obsessed with endless growth ideas and introducing subscription models so that you end up with countless of subscriptions.
There’s only a certain number of people in the world, and only a subset of them have easy access to the internet, and only a subset of them have disposable income.
Yet infinite profits are the expectation somehow.
I’m doing my part!
I’m doing my part!
Can someone tell me what Mastodon is like please, I have social network fatigue and can’t be bothered to try another one? 😅
Microblogging Fediverse app, Lemmy/kbin is to Reddit as Mastodon is to Twitter
Thanks mate.
Also you don’t need a blue check mark to post relatively longer paragraphs.
I think the most enjoyable feature is that there is no algorithm in Fediverse. And decentralization means that if you host your own server for Pixelfed (instagram equivalent) for example, your data will go offline at the moment you disconnect your server from the internet.
Lemmy is great alternative for Reddit especially if you’re into tech.
What do you mean by “no algorithm”? There must be something controlling the order of “hot” vs “new”? Or do you mean the kind of algorithm that shows you suggested communities?
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mathematically simple
And, as far as I can see, neutral. Doesn’t put you in a bubble like other social networks do, because it’s not trying to milk you for engagement.
the user feed is just made up of posts from people you follow in chrono order.
You can also follow hashtags, block hashtags, and block words/phrases.
The Local Timeline shows posts from everyone on your instance. The Federated Timeline is a fire hose. It shows all posts in chronological order (as received by your instance).
And thanks to activityPub there is interoperability between services. I only have a Mastodon account, but I can follow people on pixelfed without problem. It moves the focus back onto communicating rather than being on the platform
I think there’s a lot of value to the algorithm, but it needs to be based on real engagement rather than arbitrary bullshit that a soulless corporation wants to promote.
I subscribe to a lot of people, but not all of their content is worth seeing. Having it curated down to just the stuff that’s actually popular can be nice. It’s definitely tricky to make that work in a fair and useful way though.
Some people are building systems on top of Mastodon, for example https://fedistats.cc/trends In the end something like “plug in your own algorithm” would be great.
The nice thing is, if an instance wanted to put in the effort they could totally make an algorithm. We will have to grow a lot before it’s worth the bother to make a good one, but it’s totally possible.
It‘s like Twitter basically, but since it‘s also in the fediverse there is a bit of overlap where Mastodon people can comment on Lemmy/kbin stuff too anyway. Usually they have something like @LostCause and hashtags like #mastodon and so on in their comments, that‘s how I typically spot them.
So their growth is relevant for us, but you don‘t need to make an account there.
Can we post on their instances too? How?
Test @kodemystic@mastodon.world
Testing @tangocharlie@mastodon.social x’D
Yes I want to know this too, ty.
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Thank you, this makes sense. Can I view Mastodon posts from lemmy.world? I can’t recall seeing any but maybe it’s not obvious.
If a mastodon user mentions (@) a community, they’ll post there. They can also reply to comments on Lemmy and you’ll see it. Unfortunately I don’t think Lemmy has a way to see regular mastodon accounts/comments right now other than that.
Got it, thank you :)
@Lazylazycat as an example, hello! i’m replying from Mastodon on https://mastodon.social.
for some reason i can’t see your profile pictures (on lemmy accounts, kbin are fine apparently)
Oh hi! See on my Lemmy app you just look like any other user, that’s cool. I don’t have a profile pic but maybe you wouldn’t see it if I did?
@Lazylazycat i presume i would then if you did…
Just like twitter except what you see on your feed is reliant on what #’s or people you follow. So you essentially have more control over what you see and you wont get any posts from some rando like twitter does
It’s like twitter but without the bullshit. I’ve never used twitter so not interested in Mastodon, but I’m glad it’s out there.
Mastodon is hard to get into because at first you only really see what is coming from your own instance. You have to really look around and find the people and topics you want to see in your feed. It’s a much more carefully curated set of content than you get from Twitter, which just bombards you with hot takes and garbage all the time.
It’s really interesting… i gave it a shot a few days back. You’ve to follow stuff or hashtags you’re interested in for things to show up… after that take it slow and follow more things… I’ve found some really good music playlists, art, programming discussions on there. There’s also an explore section which shows trending topics and posts. I can recommend it as the users are mature and in my experience not toxic.
how did you make it to Fediverse-B without knowing about Fediverse-A?
I know of Mastodon but haven’t browsed it. I came to Lemmy first from Reddit.
It’s not like here at all. No shitposts. Only people who use their real name and work for some non profit sharing their highly intelligent news bulletins. I haven’t found any memes
Ribbit
I don’t think there’s any advertising budget being spent on these fedi platforms, which makes it impressive they’ve grown so much from media exposure and word of mouth.
We growth with big corps big mistakes
The fediverse isn’t driven by profit, so growth for the sake of growth isn’t necessary. Word of mouth will let the fediverse platforms grow naturally and sustainably
Do they really? I prefer quality over quantity. We don’t really need a massive influx of users, just steady growth.
But quantity drives quality. Many big names join platforms specifically for the outreach they provide. That’s by far the biggest reason that there’s still so many big names on Twitter and co that haven’t migrated.
Especially for the many people who need to make a living and thus need that outreach. The vast, vast majority of viewers will never pay for a picture they see on the internet or a streamer who makes them laugh. For a platform to be financially viable for creative types to make a living, they need a ton of viewers.
While generally true, moderator tools really aren’t there yet on Lemmy. Growth will need to be more measured until work on that front catches up. There are also massive gaps that need filling in terms of the potential for spam. Keeping spam in check was challenging enough on reddit with various tools at our disposal - it’ll be even more difficult here.
I say keep the flow coming, because the good shit eventually floats to the top.
The more people here, the more attractive it becomes to bigger-names, which will then bring their audience over.
Advertising requires money. Its a slippery slope that’ll lead us down the same path as Reddit again. We’re better than that.
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Very cool, I am one of the 8800 😸
Mastodon is where the intelligent people are filtered to from Twitter. The idiots end up on Threads.
No matter how much FaceMeta disgusts me, at least Threads has some semblance of moderation to keep the MAGA fascists under control. I rather have to deal with idiots than with the far-right cesspool that Twitter is turning into.
Thankfully, we have Mastodon, so I don’t have to deal with either. They’re both blocked on my PiHole, so I just get a DNS error when I accidentally click on links.
Always a bit of a sobering experience in the rare instance that I end up in Twitter. The fact that some of them are willing to be so blatant about being a PoS is a little concerning to say the least.
When the owner themself doesn’t hide what kind of PoS they are, this is what you get. I have no love for Zuckerberg, but if I can criticize him based on what he does and how he does it and the effects his decisions have on society, any one with brains could without having to resort to low brow insults of measuring contests. That’s basically the difference, one service is managed by someone who, despite all his flaws, is an adult, the other isn’t.
BTW, I used neutral pronouns for the “chief twitt” and not for Zuck just to spite him and make the point that one doesn’t have to lower the level bellow a certain threshold to provoke, all considering how they hate “woke” stuff…
Good sugestion
I’d love to use mastadon but I use twitter for sport/politics journalists and none of them are on mastadon.
Can’t you just use a rss reader to see their articles?
It’s not just articles though. A lot of commentary happens on twitter that never makes it to a long form article
There is quite a bunch of journalists on Mastodon though.
Yeh I still use reddit to repost sports twitter
Wow, two million users, congratulations Mastodon!
Threads is at 100 million, so if they federate they will still be completely drowned out.
I spent some time on Threads to see how it was and it’s a fucking cesspool of like-mongering and look at me oneupsmanship bullshit that was so fucking tiring to look at that I deleted the app after 4 days.
Your description of it reminds me of LinkedIn.
LinkedIn is the very bottom pit of hell of mainstream social media
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Threads has 100m phantom accounts. A lot of them are bots. Who knows how many of those are real users.
This is true, 100m is probably hyperbole. Still, I believe them to have significantly more than 2m active users.
Well, it would best to compare apples to apples, there are 8M total Mastodon accounts to 108M Threads accounts.
For active users if we assume the same active ratio (probably not, but I couldn’t find any data for Threads on that from a 1 minute search), then it would be 2 million to 27 million, which is small but it wouldn’t “completely” drown out Mastodon.
Threads created a shadow account for every user on Instagram, so, I dunno. I’m guessing most of those are just dummy accounts that will remain forever inactive.
That number obviously doesn’t include those, because Instagram has over 2 BILLION users. It’s also easy to see how Threads can quickly get to 100M when that means you just have to convince 5% of your users to try your new platform that they don’t even have to sign up for.
Again, that’s billion with a B. Instagram is unfathomably huge. They only needed 0.1% of their users to rival all of Mastodon.
Good info. Thanks.
If i remember correctly, Threads just uses your pre-existing Instagram account so 108 million is a veeeery theoretical number. We will see how many users actually move to Threads and whether our instances don’t block Threads instances.
You still need to sign up to/log into Threads (via Instagram) to have a Threads account or be active on there though, so what makes it theoretical? If they counted all Instagram accounts as Threads accounts it’d instantly be in the billions surely.
According to some users, Threads made a bunch of bot accounts to reach 108 million users. However i don’t have proof, nor do i know why it’s 108 million bots (or copied profiles) instead of around 2 billions.
Is that 100m active users?
let’s gooo 👏🏼 the fediverse is getting bigger!
Yay! I still don’t know how to use anything that looks like twitter tho
This is great! But generally can’t see Mastadon overtaking any other major social platforms until it introduces an equivalent of For you feed from Twitter. The days of following specific people and hashtags is over, it’s tedious and I don’t give a shit about 3/4s of the feed.
2017-2020 Twitter was absolutely peak Twitter algorithm wise and thousands of users want that exact experience back, yet nobody will provide it.
Mastodon adding their version of Tweekdeck was what set me to completely abandon Twitter.
luckily it doesn’t need to overtake anyone, it’s doing its own thing and it works just fine.
So true
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Where are all those people. When I open it, I see empty feed.
You gotta follow some people, and also hashtags. Following hashtags made a huge difference populating my feed. There’s no algorithm so you get to/have to choose what you want to see.
I also use the ice cubes app for mastodon, which has a trending option also for when I want to see what’s gaining traction outside of my follows.
Also don’t be afraid to use filters to block keywords if you need a break from certain topics. It’s amazing how calm and actually interesting the feed is if you block all mentions of Twitter and Threads and US politics
Wow, you and the commenter above really sold me on it. That’s the way the internet was meant to be used. You go and search for shit. Not shit getting fed to you because “it totally matches up with other things you like”. I’ve hated these algorithms for so long. And for me personally completely misses the mark on what actually excites me. Instead it intentionally shows me bullshit that I will scroll through for hours or plaster my face in front of the second I have exactly 30 seconds of free time in my day. It’s fucking junk food.
I tried, but couldn’t find anything interesting.
Did you search/subscribe on hashtags for subjects that you liked?
You get out what you put in.
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Ok, I’ll try.
Glad to have you!
My feed doesn’t stop. It’s more active that my old Twitter feed.
I just follow lots of active people.
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Follow your friends, check out your instance’s federated feed and follow some people there (if you aren’t self hosting), follow some tags, and follow a trending bot like @popularposts@masto.ai
There is absolutely no chance that any of my friends or anyone I know is on mastodon. I’ll try popular tags.
What are friends
Been on Mastodon since October 2022.
It’s a great platform.
