No one gave them too much power. They just woke up early and took it before anyone else could.
But they are seen as more productive because they are on farmers’ hours
Yes, but we are on scholars hours. 🧐
My wife has to be up at 4am for her job, which means I’m up that early most days too. It isn’t a choice that we want to. But it is a social life killer. You invite me to arrive at your house on a Tuesday at 7 for an evening of dinner and games or something, the answer is probably going to be no.
No, they’re seen as more productive because they are more productive. Being a night owl means you’re drunk/high and gaming.
You’d be surprised by the number of ads you see that were created by a dude who grabbed a bottle of whiskey, did some cocaine, and locked himself in his office for the night.
Actually, based on the quality of the ads out there, maybe you wouldn’t be surprised at how they come up with them…
I don’t drink, I’ve never done drugs, and I spend 5/7 nights awake.
It’s called a sleeping disorder.
Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome or Non 24/Free Running.
Maybe spend less time being judgy, and more time educating yourself?
go sit in the corner
This is the stupidest thing I’ve heard today. Congratulations.
U jelly bro? U sound totes jelly
Jokes on you, when I was an early bird, years ago, I would play FF14 from 4:30 to 7:00. On weekends I would be drunk or high by noon.
Why let me tell you, I wake up early but around lunch time I pop my first joint. I work until five then do chores and game until 10-11 PM.
Often times this is true tho
Lol people who don’t live in reality down voting this, keep em coming it won’t change anything
So there’s no such thing as overnight shifts? Everyone who stays up late are drug and alcohol binging losers?
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Is it? “Often times”?
Just because that’s what you two have always done when you stayed up “late” doesn’t mean that it applies to everyone.
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And often times it isn’t…
They took the early worms
We need to liberate them
Join the rebellion
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese
Long live the second mouses!
As an act of rebellion and as an early worm, I just give them the bird
Yup, and chirping their morning call.
“PiTtEr PaTtEr LeT’s GeT aTtEr!!1”
I feel like there is some famous saying about that, something like … people who wake up early get worms.
Bum worms.
A sleep scientist/professor named Matt Walker has a podcast about, you guessed it, sleep. He talks about this and how it’s very unfair to people who are biologically programmed to get tired later.
He goes on to describe scientific proof of the effect this has on their sleep and the impact to their health. It’s sad really, but his hope is to raise awareness and acceptance of the night owl’s schedule.
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This attitude is maddening. I am diagnosed with delayed sleep phase syndrome that will turn into a non 24 hour rhythm if I let it. I’ve worked with sleep doctors all over the country, most recently Duke.
I’m lucky that my work lets me start at 11am, I don’t get enough sleep those days but better than it could be.
Unfortunately I’m on call every other week, so forcing my clock to reset isn’t an option. It takes me 6 to 10 weeks to get to societies ideal sleep schedule, and a single night of interrupted sleep to undo all that work
The weeks I’m not on call are my weeks with my daughter, who has to be at school at 730 and there’s no bus for her to ride.
Either week, my schedule is fucked and I’m in a haze all the time. Helpfully anyone who finds out about it just tells me to excercise more (makes no difference, ive done a lot of testing and exclusion), stop caffeine (tried it), stop using screens of any kind after work (been there), or any other thing that they think I am doing wrong and causing the problem.
I did not expect to rant that much… I completely agree, science means nothing in the face of feelings and preconceived notions.
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I feel ya. I’ve got the same thing. Luckily I’m still young and don’t have kids so I can at least adjust my schedule consistently, but man it sucks having to get up at 6 am on the weekends. The real frustrating bit is that I could totally get up 2 hours later if only I could WFH consistently. But corporate doesn’t like remote work so I have to go into the office at least 2 days a week to sit at a computer all day and program. Wonderful world we live in
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Many of us just don’t move enough.
It’s not only about being tired enough to fall asleep early. If I stick to a 10pm-6am sleep schedule I feel exhausted during the day, and by early afternoon I’ll be falling asleep. It’s like being jetlagged permanently; my body simply doesn’t want to keep to that schedule. It’s not just an “oh, you need to stick to the schedule long enough to adapt and get into a proper routine” situation either - it’s something I struggled with for years while I was in school and university, despite getting enough sleep.
It’s amazing how much better and more energetic I feel - physically and mentally - now I’m able to keep to a sleep schedule that suits me. Obviously exercising is a good thing, but early/delayed sleep phase syndrome are real things.
This. I work physically, get up just before 6 am, return tired as fuck and can easily go lights out at 8-10 pm half of the year. Doesn’t help. If I wake early, I feel tired all day.
Yeah, whenever I get up early, like 5 am, I wind up feeling sleepy and groggy all day and need a nap when I get home. Yet I can get up at 7 and feel fine all day, not need to go to bed till 11 pm.
I once had to do 12.5 hr shift work.
Going from 7 am to 7:30 pm wasn’t too bad compared to the nightmare that was 5 am to 5:30 pm, which meant I had to get up by no later than 4 am.
Same amount of time but the phase shift just completely messed everything up because my body just refused to comply that early in the morning.
So, what is your current sleep schedule?
Not OP but mine is 00:00 - 06:00.
I can’t fall asleep at 22:00. But my ideal schedule if I work permitted it would be 02:00 - 10:00. When I’ve kept this schedule before it’s literally night and day how better I feel.
I could go to sleep however early you like but I’d still be wrecked at 06:00.
Typically around 04:00-12:00 for me. Fortunately, I have a job that fits nicely around that, so I’m in a pretty good place overall, but when I do have to try to shift to more “normal” schedules it really wreaks havoc on my energy levels and mental clarity.
I’ve tried all sorts in an attempt to make a “normal” schedule work for me, like sleep monitoring, therapy, sleeping pills, and just being really over-the-top about my sleep hygiene (like not allowing screen usage for X hours before bed, no drinking or eating X hours before bed, etc). I can sort of make a “normal” schedule stick but I never feel good for it. And it takes constant work because my body naturally wants to gradually drift back towards a 4am sleep time, and I find going to sleep earlier than previous nights very difficult so once it starts slipping it usually takes an all-nighter to get it back to where I want it.
Like I said, I’ve generally got things pretty good right now with my job and lifestyle working around my sleep schedule. But it’d certainly be a lot easier if society didn’t think I was lazy and was able to accommodate me (and other people with less “normal” sleep schedules) a little more.
wow! i’m sure the neuroscientist-sleep expert never thought of that! he should have checked with you.
Shit, man, now I want to see a paper authored by some rando PhD and JizzmasterD
If I worked a physically intensive job from 8-4 you can be sure as shit I’d be dead asleep by 10pm at the latest.
Yeah but the world needs data analysts and programmers.
- data analyst and programmer
That’s what I do, except 6 to 230. I have to always take naps after, then go to sleep again at like 11 or 12. My sleep gets super fucked lol.
I think this is a good point, even if unpoppular. Physical activity can help a lot with sleeping. Colleagues, please, notice there’s “many of us”, not “all of us” in the comment before you downvote.
I think part of the unpopular reception is that those of us that suffer intractable sleep issues are told this constantly by people who just don’t understand it or are just out to shit on people they think are lazy.
From my parents convinced that I was useless and lazy, to co-workers who are sure I’m just too stupid to be able to sleep well, to partners I’ve had in the past… Always explaining to me how I’m doing something wrong, and surely if you just try to sleep you can. No. No I can’t. No matter what I do, even sleep aids are only effective for a week or two at the most.
It’s insulting to constantly hear people tell me that I just need to do this, or that and I’ll be able to sleep. Yes, I see it says many of us, but decades of being shit on for something we can’t control takes a toll.
I’ve struggled for 30 years to sleep ‘acceptable’ hours. At best, I can wake up early if I have to, and I do a lot because my child’s school starts way too damn early on the weeks she’s with me, and I’m on-call every other week when she’s not. That means I get 3-4 hours sleep most week nights. I’m too old for this shit, but I have no choice and no options. We know that not sleeping enough can have severe effects on physical and mental health, but if you aren’t on a ‘normal’ schedule that goes out the window.
I’m a night owl and a morning person who works on a farm/cattle ranch. I had a 27 hour shift for the first time last month and I was kind of ecstatic about it. I felt proud when I got home and crashed. I also have a lot of willpower though so it’s easy for me to push through work stuff with very few freaks.
I guess this is my way of saying that everyone is different.
You had a 27 HOURS SHIFT ???
sigma grindset bro
Alpha Sigma Sigma grindrset.
Those cows ain’t gonna, uh, cattle themselves.
Welcome to farming. During harvest, 36 hours straight isn’t uncommon. And driving back and forth lifting and lowering a combine header is far from the sort of thing that keeps one alert.
That ain’t healthy bro. You can’t catch up on sleep.
When they all got together to decide what kind of civilization to have, all the slackers slept in. That’s why we have to work before noon.
If they had just held their fuckin meeting at a reasonable time like 6pm we’d be on top of the world order
laughs in night shift
Nobody gave them anything. They just took it… while we were sleeping.
Damn if I actually did anything productive when I was night owling, I would suggest we take it back, but I’m still working my way through Baldur’s Gate III
As an early person I think night owls have it better in some ways, yeah work can start early but if you want to do anything “cool” it’s always late at night. Wish they’d do more daytime concerts and stuff
Oh cool! Daytime concerts in the scorching Sun!
Sounds like something a vampire would say ~or a southerner~
Or an engineer. They are very vampire adjacent.
Frilly collars, debauchery, and a law unto themselves? I think you mean architect.
Which is worse?
One of the best shows I have seen was Sun Ra and his Arkestra opening for Sonic Youth in Central Park July 4th 1992. The show started in the afternoon.
Fuuuuck that sounds amazing
It was and I went in knowing nothing about Sun Ra. My hippie buddy was less than impressed with Sonic Youth so we dipped halfway through. SY isn’t that great outside and Sun Ra was remarkable.
I’ve seen the Arkestra several times with Marshal Allen but I never got to see the man himself.
Ha, yeah I could see SY not translating to an outdoor performance.
The only other time I saw parts of the Arkestra was when Trey Anastasio closed the Academy and some of the band playing that night were in the Arkestra.
Early bird here, am alwaya tired by 9PM, don’t even wanna go out on Saturday nights any more.
Sure, but I’m tired from being up too early lol.
I’m with you on this. Dance socials always starting at like 10PM, like could we not have done this earlier?
When I get off work, I have a good 7 hours of daylight, all the stores are still open, I can take a nap without ruining my sleep, I have plenty of time to play with my kid. I’m very cool with going to bed at 9-10 if that’s the tradeoff.
If you like loud, raw techno music and darkness, you could go for a morning party at Tresor in Berlin when the tourists are gone (and only the most dedicated heads are still there). I went there recently from ~6AM till 12 noon, and had a really great time. However, I’m no early bird myself; I had been awake in the streets through the night, but didn’t go to Tresor until the afterhours. I believe less than 30 people were there along with me, everybody respecting each other doing their thing and enjoying the experience. No idea if that’s a good way to start your day though?
Wow, that sounds pretty awesome ngl
It was indeed. Here’s is the set from that morning:
Listen to Nina Farrina @TRESOR Klubnacht / 26.08.2023 by Nina Farrina on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/ninafarrina/nina-farrina-tresor-klubnacht-26082023
I’m the guy who handles all of the 4:59 crisis because the morning people all left at 4
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Sure, but night owls have more fun.
More fun or more regrets? Both. The answer is probably both. (Spoken from a night owl forced to transition to early as fuck morning life)
How have you coped?
I haven’t
“poorly.”
I would guess “coffee.”
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Somehow, my body became coffee intolerant. I would drink espresso all the time as a teen and then, one day, any kind or amount of coffee would just give me super severe stomach cramps. Like debilitatingly painful. So I don’t drink coffee no more. And it’s not the sugar or the caffeine, either; soda doesn’t do this to me. Just coffee. Which sucks, because I like coffee.
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Monster is the way. Monster is life.
Yeah, playing video games and drinking all night sounds totally healthy!
An introverts wet dream 👌
Healthier than a night owl being forced to wake up early, yes.
Yeah I bet being a drunk is 100% healthier than not getting enough sleep 🙄
you sound fun at parties
I’m a blast. I’m just not going to convince myself it’s healthy.
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You are the one with personal attacks 🤷♂️. I’m sorry I have an opinion.
It’s why you keep calling the early bird people at 8pm for work stuff and giving them shit for not working late until they get the message that them calling you at 8am is just as annoying.
It’s biology. When winter comes and we switch daylight saving times again, I wake up an hour earlier according to the clock while walking up at the same sun time the entire year.
That’s how you get fired.
cope and seethe early-birdbrain
I don’t think I’ve ever been accused of being an early bird lol
It’s the side you chose. Now have at you!
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Buisness hours are 9-5 in most countries I’m familiar with
8-5 in the US normally.
Getting mad that someone calls you after 8pm? That’s not even late you noob. Business hours. 8am isn’t normal business hours. Lazy fatass.
Useless boomer
You’ve gotta kill yourself dude. For the good of all of us.
We just call that depression in my world.
Whoever downvoted is in deep denial lmao
That’s the first step on getting depression controlled. To accept you have one. Next step find the why?
I’m a morning lark, but this annoys me so much! People should be able to work whenever the F they’re at their most productive, not when morning larks decided everyone should be.
Feel free to continually emphasize this with your fellow morning larks pls
Luckily I work for a great company where the culture is generally “we don’t care when you do your work as long as you do it”, so I don’t have many larks around me with that flawed mindset anymore. But I do emphasize it when I get the chance!
This is not a shit post, it’s a real issue for many. In Denmark there is a political movement for the rights of non-early birds, called B-Samfundet (B-Society).
Brb moving to Denmark
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The come already and start moving.
From the studies I’ve read, this seems to be the case across the entire school system, not just university. If anything, it might even affect K-12 even more, since, the younger we are, the more sleep we need.
Nevertheless, I had my most challenging class 8am my freshman year of college and yeah, can confirm—it was horrific.
In retrospect, maybe it didn’t help that I was out partying til 3am every day too, but that’s a different story… (Jp, I was actually very diligent about it, but still couldn’t crack the formula. It was simply too early.)
For all of middle school, I would to wake up at 4:30 to catch the bus that arrived anytime between 5:30 and 6:25 to get to school at 7:15. And i wonder why my sleep is so fucked today, and why I was always too tired to focus on anything back then.
I wake up without the alarm at 0400 every day now. My alarm doesn’t even go off til 0500. I only want to stay up late looking at the stars, but haven’t done that in forever.
I’ve become what I hate.
The stars are out 4am. And 5am. If you’re up anyways, take your coffee out and go have a look.
Oh I definitely get to see them in the morning, briefly. But I would prefer to not to sleep during the nights at all, and just stay up all night with my telescope. My job has just forced my circadian rhythm over to this.
Just another argument in favor of WFH.
If only. I have to get hands on.
I just find a job where they don’t care when I start as long as I get the work done
That’s what I have. Then suddenly with RTO I get dirty looks for finishing my sprint tasks much faster than my coworkers so I have to pretend to be busy for hours. Fuuuuuck that bullshit.
I used to play this balance, but it’s honestly just as much effort to work hard as it is to pretend to work. Instead, I work throughout my work hours, and built the trust to have flexibility when needed.
